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You know, dredging up wholly unrelated and irrelevant lines from a book doesn't actually help whatever argument you're failing at making.
In particular, quoting a religious text as evidence that the religion in question is the truth is as absurd. It's like quoting L. Ron Hubbard to demonstrate that Scientology is the truth.
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Both sides despise it when it goes against their belief. Don't delude yourself.
Fine. And I will be open minded about this.
Since I am a liberal who come from science background, I will take this argument to the scientific level. Shall we?
A good, SOUND argument is an argument derived from conclusion, corroborated by statistical data and real-life examples.
Well, you don't need to provide me any numerical data or anything. Just give me a concrete example to support your claim that "Liberal side despise it when it goes against their belief".
In other words, give me an example in which a liberal (NOT individual) point of view is being challenged by science, and they decide to ignore the facts.
PS: Don't forget to cite the resources.
End of March the SCOTUS will start hearing arguments on DOMA and Prop 8.
They are certainly smart enough to realize that this is about basic civil rights, and I am certain their vote this year will put them on the right side of history and marriage equality will be recognized in all fifty states. So we become 13th country, I am hopeful that they will base this off the 14th amendment.
End of March the SCOTUS will start hearing arguments on DOMA and Prop 8.
They are certainly smart enough to realize that this is about basic civil rights, and I am certain their vote this year will put them on the right side of history and marriage equality will be recognized in all fifty states. So we become 13th country, I am hopeful that they will base this off the 14th amendment.
Even though recent state results have shown respectable progress in the realm of participatory democracy and law (a trend likely to spread, I would speculate), it would be nice to see this issue settled in favor of equal rights by the highest court in the country once and for all.
Even though recent state results have shown respectable progress in the realm of participatory democracy and law (a trend likely to spread, I would speculate), it would be nice to see this issue settled in favor of equal rights by the highest court in the country once and for all.
That is almost certainly the eventual outcome.
But the high court is aware of public opinion. After all, there's a reason that decades before Brown v. Education, in which the notion of 'separate but equal' was rejected, we had Plessy v. Ferguson, which endorsed the notion. I can see the possibility of a five-Justice majority (Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, Kennedy) striking down all laws prohibiting same-sex marriage. However, if they simply uphold the Ninth Circuit's decision, that will not happen -- that decision only applies to the unique situation in California.
I think it more likely that two to four Justice stake out a position in favor of striking down all such laws, but that another one to five Justice agree to uphold the Ninth Circuit's decision but stop somewhere short of establishing marriage equality nationwide. It may well be a complicated decision, with multiple concurring-in-part/dissenting-in-part opinions. In this case, the controlling majority may simply ignore the issue of the constitutionality of law barring same-sex marriage in general in order to not stake out a position on the subject, and make it politically easy for the high court to revisit the issue in the next few years, by which point public opinion will have continued to shift in favor of allowing it, and numerous additional states will have enacted laws allowing it.
It would be nice to see it fall this time, but I just don't think Justice Kennedy is likely to go that far at this point, especially when the Ninth Circuit walked back the District Court decision a bit, thus giving the court a very convenient compromise 'out' (ie, kicking the can a few years down the road).
But, we'll see. It will be a very interesting summer day when the decision is released.
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