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If you were raised generationally dependant on the Government... that is the way of life you are most familiar with...
I have seen it many times... it is not so much a person says I'm going to have a child to get on welfare... the reality is once you do have that child at a young age and you are eligible for assistance... it can become a way of life... especially when getting a housing voucher is dependant on one thing... family size...
It can become very difficult to break generational dependence in single parent homes... of course some do succeed... I have seen it a few times.
The reality is few leave Section 8 voluntarily and those that do are truly exceptions.
"Have you ever considered getting a job and becoming a productive member of society"?
Europe isn't doing that well and Germany has it's problems. I hear so many stories from engineers and tech in Germany concerned the future is very bleak for their children.
As to disparity between rich and poor...
I have a hard time understanding when you look at the truly wealthy and the destitute in the late 1800's up through the 1920's.... wealth in today's dollars has never been matched...
Yep. The people who say that trickle down doesn't work generally use only disparity to make their claims. They constantly harp on how much more the wealthy have as compared to the poor. What they don't say is that the poor now have more than they used to have. They simply imply that it's a zero sum game, so if they can show the rich are richer, then the poor must necessarily be poorer. But it's not so.
The true measure of whether trickle down worked or not isn't how rich the rich are. Are the poor better off under trickle down policies than they were? That's the true measure. It's irrelevant whether the rich have slightly more or much more than the poor. What's relevant is whether the standard of living of the poor was raised or not. How the rich compare to the poor is just smoke and mirrors. What's relevant is how the poor of today compare to the poor of yesterday. If you cut the taxes of the rich, and the poor's standard living raised then trickle down did trickle down.
Yep. The people who say that trickle down doesn't work generally use only disparity to make their claims. They constantly harp on how much more the wealthy have as compared to the poor. What they don't say is that the poor now have more than they used to have. They simply imply that it's a zero sum game, so if they can show the rich are richer, then the poor must necessarily be poorer. But it's not so.
The true measure of whether trickle down worked or not isn't how rich the rich are. Are the poor better off under trickle down policies than they were? That's the true measure. It's irrelevant whether the rich have slightly more or much more than the poor. What's relevant is whether the standard of living of the poor was raised or not. How the rich compare to the poor is just smoke and mirrors. What's relevant is how the poor of today compare to the poor of yesterday. If you cut the taxes of the rich, and the poor's standard living raised then trickle down did trickle down.
It matters because animals are hierarchical, and humans are certainly no exception. Specifically, it matters to heterosexual males. Conservative George Gilder had a lot to say about this in his early works.
Basically, if you have less money than other men in your culture - and especially if you have less money than the women in your culture - you don't get the girl. At least not the girl you want.
You might have 1.5x as many toys as you had ten years ago, but if your peers have 3x as many toys as you, for practical purposes you are poorer.
That was NOT directed at YOU...it was directed at the generational welfare types. It's what I have always wanted to ask THEM.
From my limited observations the jobs they are qualified to get don't pay enough to leave the social safety net...
It can be a scary world when everything rests on your shoulders and more so when there are dependants.
One of the people that left Section 8 worked her way up to become a full time city bus driver... for many years she drove part time while rying to get on full time... it did let her be home when her kids got out of school.
The last year I managed the single family home she was renting... she paid 98% of the rent and Section 8 paid 2%...
It was not until she had passed probation and her family was on the city bus medical plan did she leave Section 8...
It also meant no more free lunch at school, no more discounted utilities, county health insurance, rent assistance, etc...
In some ways this has happened... the run down areas were being bought by what the media called urban pioneers... the thing is those cashing out were doing so willingly and often ecstatically...
Also, low income families on Housing Assistance used the portability of their Housing Vouchers to flee the inner city to the outlying areas and in some areas... police were reporting crime that had only been thought of as a big city problem.
And the unsubsidized poor were...cursing the darkness?
And the unsubsidized poor were...cursing the darkness?
Poor homeowners did great... even run down property that was too costly to maintain for someone just getting by was being snapped up by urban pioneers
Section 8 could transfer
Poor renters had rent control.
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