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Old 02-06-2013, 08:20 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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So whatever they say on your local conservative radio is supposed to reflect on the rest of the nation?
Are you really denying that this marketing claim of libertarianism = states' rights isn't pervasive in the Republican Party?

Sean Hannity and your VP candidate Paul Ryan claimed to be libertarians who simply want to let the states decide whether or not to be tyrannical.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:21 AM
 
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Which is exactly what they want.

The GOP likes to blather on about freedom and liberty, but it's really authoritarianism and theocracy that they want. The idea is simple - get the federal government out and you're then free to deny rights, regulate what consenting adults can do, replace science with religion, etc.
That straw dog won't hunt.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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libertarian?

Which dictionary are they using? The Frank Luntz GOP dictionary?
The more localized the region is that a person represents, the more accountable the person is for his actions. This should go without saying, shouldn't it? It's not a difficult concept. Obama doesn't have to fear considering a few million people in Idaho to be bitter clingers because he's got tens of millions in New York and California who will vote for him anyway. He is perfectly free to alienate 49% of the entire nation as long as the other 51% will vote for him. If Obama was the governor of Illinois he could only afford to alienate 49% of the people in Illinois. If Obama was mayor of Chicago he could only afford to alienate 49% of the people in that one city. Make sense? That's why distributing power is better than centralizing it. There is far far less potential for abuse.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:57 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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There is far far less potential for abuse.
Are you serious? Are you really saying that it is harder to corrupt local governments than it is federal government?

Part of the problem is that most people are unaware of how their local governments actually misspend money, make sweetheart land deals, arrest people on trumped up charges, and hire contractors with business/family connections.

My local government is a black hole. They own the newspaper and public records requests are expensive, untimely, and highly redacted.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Are you really denying that this marketing claim of libertarianism = states' rights isn't pervasive in the Republican Party?

Sean Hannity and your VP candidate Paul Ryan claimed to be libertarians who simply want to let the states decide whether or not to be tyrannical.
Why do you assume that "GOPers" agree or support the positions of radio entertainers such as Hannity?

Arguing for states rights isn't the same as advocating tyranny at the local level. If a state government tries to enact tyranny voters can of course say yes or no. Paul Ryan and others like him also respect and understand that a state's actions cannot supersede the constitution. He did not say for example that a state can take away first amendment rights.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Our governor Jindal gave economic development grants to a political fund-raiser so that he could open CHAIN restaurants in New Orleans.

Yet, how or why the governor spends ED monies is "executive privilege."
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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zoning and building permits in my town are all about who you know. Sometimes you have to make a politician's family member a business partner and give him a cut.

I'm constantly amazed by the blatant corruption at the local level and have grown to understand the "all politics are local" saying. They leverage local corruption to consolidate power to larger and larger areas, giving each local group of corrupt politicians free-reign.

The federal politicians need the backing of the local politicians so it's a symbiotic relationship of quid pro quo.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:45 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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That straw dog won't hunt.
Typical glib RWNJ answer, with zero content. Unless your idea of ''straw'' is trying to deny abortions, contraception and gay marriage... all based on religious beliefs. And what's so ''straw'' about redefining ''rape'' and using ''states rights'' as an excuse for race-based hiring and re-instating Jim Crow discrimination. Let alone calling the first black POTUS an ''uppity, socialist, muslim, Kenyan'' (among other things)...?

In fact if the best example of guvmint tyranny is ''We're here to help'', the best expression of local tyranny is, ''You ain't from around here are 'ya boy?!''
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The one thing I prefer about local government is that there is more accountability.
There are people right there you can talk to and hold accountable for decisions, mistakes, fraud.
Things get done.
I have contacted my local and state rep and gotten feedback almost immediately on numerous occasions.
I have been able to point out mistakes in the system and have them rectified very quickly.
The federal government is nameless, faceless, and good luck every getting anything through to them.
They can waste money on levels you can't even know about.
If only that were true everywhere. There is an obscure federal law that prohibits State capitals from being built on an Island (Hawaii being an exception of course). Which is why Alaska's capital was moved from Sitka to Juneau before statehood was granted in 1959.

However, because there are no roads in or out of Juneau, and the only access is by plane or boat, Juneau may as well effectively be on an island. It has been an increasing cause for concern with most Alaskans. The overwhelming majority of Alaskans have voted to move the capital so that it was on the road-system, but the Alaska State Constitution prohibits initiatives that involve the appropriation of funds. As a result, while the people did vote to move the capital, they could not vote to appropriate the funds required to make that move possible.

Until that move happens, the Alaskan State legislature and Governor's administration are virtually inaccessible to the average citizen. As a result, we have had, and still have, a corrupt State government, with legislators taking bribes from industry.

To keep, or make, government accountable to the people they serve, there must be transparency into government activities. The more isolated government is from its constituents, the more corrupt they become. That holds true for any level of government. As the adage goes, "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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libertarian?

Which dictionary are they using? The Frank Luntz GOP dictionary?
Libertarians ARE right wingers.
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