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Oniy in the stereotypes which appear to govern most of the posts by the Lefty clique at this site. True Libertarians oppose both censorship and legislated morality.
I don't think Mr.Goedde intended his proposal to be taken seriously. But the kiddies over in LeftyLand will swallow just about anything whole.
Yep, I've never seen a righty stereotype.
True libertarians are out for their own - only. They couldn't give a whit about others, after all, they've got theirs.
The adults in RightyLand have already swallowed regression whole.
It's unreadable. Anyone who claims they read every page calls into question their credibility.
Like I said...post 65.
I've read it several times. I'll admit, the first time I skipped part of the speech, but every other time read the entire thing. I find I pick up more details with each reading, and realize just how prophetic the book is. A great deal of what she describes has come to pass, or worse.
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Now that is a good book, it is a shame they only got to read 40 pages of it and then had to do a pointless project on it. I do wonder about some states' education program, it definitely varies from state to state in this country and the effects definitely show.
I may need to read it again. We did in 6th or 7th grade English, I recall it as awfully dry. But 40 years tends to do that.
Lord of the Flies is promoting reading and literacy in the schools.
That's really sad. A bunch of kids on a deserted island go all native and worship a pigs head on a stick. Took an entire book to cover that. We read it in elementary school...never figured out why is was considered worth while. There is much, much better literature out there. Atlas included.
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I know I was referring to books that will make kids not want to read. Though some here will claim otherwise, there isn't a single soul who has read every page of Atlas Shrugged. No one can do that. Now they're going to force high school sophomores plow through that horse hockey? They'll never read again.
What a silly statement.
I read Atlas Shrugged and enjoyed it very much.
I also read Gone with the Wind and enjoyed it very much.
Never read Le Miserable and probably won't. Perhaps if I didn't already know the story so well it would be an interesting read, but the length of the book coupled with what I have heard about Victor Hugo's tendency to spend pages and pages on tangents puts it firmly on my no-read list.
To counter the indoctrination of kids in the Northeast to the Democrat party....
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It's no worse than that other thread about the teacher who required all her white students to write letters of apology for slavery.
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No, that is the Department of Education that undermines education.... a creation of the regressive bedwetting left
Just bookmarking these for future reference, since some people here like to claim this is a liberal debating tactic (to counter with "bad things" from the other side). Do you two have anything of substance to add, or just deflections?
As for the story, I don't think the STATE should be setting required reading lists - and this coming from a Teen Services Librarian, who's worked in both public and academic settings. Those lists should be determined by the school district or city/county, and tailored to the needs of their typical students.
I haven't even read Atlas Shrugged yet, so I can't personally say anything about the content... but if an individual district decided to make it required reading, I really couldn't care less. Students should be introduced to a variety of works, including viewpoints from all sides of the fence. And I'm not just talking political fence, but also a variety of ethnic groups, genders, nationalities, social groups, orientations, etc. I went to a fairly progressive private school myself, and we read some books that would even be considered controversial today (almost 20 years later). I'm very grateful for being exposed to such diverse reading materials, and partially credit that with my eventual degrees & profession. To this day, I still name a few of those titles among my all-time favorites! So yeah, I have no problem with this being required reading - but a statewide law? Ehhhh, that sounds rather silly.
What a silly statement.
I read Atlas Shrugged and enjoyed it very much.
I also read Gone with the Wind and enjoyed it very much.
Never read Le Miserable and probably won't. Perhaps if I didn't already know the story so well it would be an interesting read, but the length of the book coupled with what I have heard about Victor Hugo's tendency to spend pages and pages on tangents puts it firmly on my no-read list.
This might sound weird coming from a librarian, but I tend to shy away from anything over ~400 pages... as much as I love to read, I've never had a very good attention span.
That being said, if I really liked a book I'm sure I could plow through 1000+ pages. Still meaning to tackle The Stand, since I am a Stephen King fan - and no self-respecting SK fan should admit to not having read that one. I have seen the movie, though! LMAO.
So they can indoctrinate children into the Republican party?
Let's be fair: the public education system today contains a huge amount of Progressive indoctrination already: one nephew of mine in high school reported that he has to take a "diversity appreciation" class every semester. Considering that twice as many Americans consider themselves conservative rather than liberal (40% to 20% Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.), I can think of no reason that a book showing the disincentives of communism and socialism should not be required reading.
Since that is the direction our current leadership is sending us, we need to look at what happens in a society where government has fully implemented the philosophy "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." It sounds reasonable to a schoolkid, a great idea like the Golden Rule, but sometimes the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. Ask those same kids if they would study, if everyone were guaranteed an A- whether they took the test or not? A few may study the first time, but make this the standard and in no time, none of the kids study at all. Why should they? It will not benefit them--just like John Galt working incredibly hard in Atlas Shrugged got him no more reward than someone who put forth no effort at all.
That's the lesson of Atlas Shrugged as it applies to America: If you don't allow employees to keep the monetary reward of their hard work (i.e., don't confiscate it with taxes), they will simply quit and join the public dole. I have to wonder if our current Administration really thinks productive people will continue to work hard and sacrifice their time, energy and quality of life, even if they would get exactly the same money for staying at home and doing nothing. The growth of SSI (disability) alone shows a growing trend in America of people choosing government money over productive employment, and the trend will not reverse until Americans start to understand the problem.
It would be extremely helpful if young Americans understood exactly what will happen if we continue to offer government support for anyone who can't or won't work, while sending the tax bill to a smaller and smaller group, who are working more and more hours while being compensated less by their employers.
The only downside to such a rule would be that the book is simply too long and complex for a very large portion of our students. This can be addressed by breaking it into segments, and simplifying the lessons.
At the very least, for every "diversity appreciation" class required by our ultra-liberal school system, a balancing view should be given. I can think of no better lesson than the lesson from Atlas Shrugged, although it would be nice if someone in a Socialist or Communist country could write a similar story, targeted at the less intellectual of our students.
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Do you two have anything of substance to add, or just deflections?
