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Old 02-08-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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"Series of events" is a general term to say if one were to go crazy during over time, they shouldn't be able to buy a gun.
That's what worries me, series of events, you got 5 speeding tickets in 1 month.....when you use the word "general" you leave interpretation up to the person....

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It is good that in your state you have to have a background check yearly for your CCW, this should be done with all gun sales, but at least your state is doing it annually, but they should be doing it annually with all gun owners, not just CCW holders.
Why? Why should they do it for all gun owners?


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Efficient laws are what is needed, like a Universal Background Check so that one can't just go to a state with lax laws to get their guns.
Do you understand the 500,000 guns are stolen on yearly basis? You are going to restrict me because of people stealing....

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Criminals do not obey the law, that is why they are criminals. I am all for making it near impossible and easier to catch those that buy guns legally and then turn around to illegally sell them to criminals. Any way to make it easier for law enforcement to track down those people who are illegally supplying guns to criminals is a good thing when it comes to stopping the use of illegal guns.
Have you ever heard of shaving the serial number? Don't restrict me because you don't agree with it.

Think about this, you really don't need a car, but since people still drive drunk and kill people, I think you should have an alcohol tester in your car, that must be certified every year, and cost you (___insert money amount here), or if you decide to sell your car, you must have the tester re-validated, now this goes for all everyone, including car dealers.

Does that even sound legit? What if your religion forbids you from drinking? What if you have a disease that prohibits you from drinking.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well hopefully Congress will do the right thing and require universal background checks on all gun sales, including private sales to make it easier to track those that sell guns to people who use them for crimes.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but obviously it is impossible for the Govt. to track private sales. If they did somehow manage to pass this law, it would simply be another law on the books that isn't enforced. Nobody has the power (yet) to stand in my living room and force me to undergo a background check to buy a pistol from my father.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I know I'm preaching to the choir, but obviously it is impossible for the Govt. to track private sales. If they did somehow manage to pass this law, it would simply be another law on the books that isn't enforced. Nobody has the power (yet) to stand in my living room and force me to undergo a background check to buy a pistol from my father.
A gun could be associated to a person when initially purchased, kind of like a car. If at some time down the road, that gun is used in a crime ... well, whoever is the owner of record could have some culpability, again kind of like a car. If a gun owner sells the gun, it would be wise of that person to record that the gun was sold and to whom, again kind of like a car. If that were the law, would you want to buy a gun from your father and not transfer ownership(responsibility)? Of course unrecorded sales would happen, but I can tell you with complete assurance, I will never sell a car without recording the sale with the State. And I suspect most gun buyers would do the same.

Nice touch for next week ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...-gun-violence/

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Old 02-08-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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A gun could be associated to a person when initially purchased, kind of like a car. If at some time down the road, that gun is used in a crime ... well, whoever is the owner of record could have some culpability, again kind of like a car. If a gun owner sells the gun, it would be wise of that person to record that the gun was sold and to whom, again kind of like a car. If that were the law, would you want to buy a gun from your father and not transfer ownership(responsibility)? Of course unrecorded sales would happen, but I can tell you with complete assurance, I will never sell a car without recording the sale with the State. And I suspect most gun buyers would do the same.

Nice touch for next week ...

At State of the Union, Dems to send message on gun violence - CBS News
The owner of the gun shouldn't be liable. The user of the gun is liable for the action provided the owner is not grossly negligent.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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A gun could be associated to a person when initially purchased, kind of like a car. If at some time down the road, that gun is used in a crime ... well, whoever is the owner of record could have some culpability, again kind of like a car. If a gun owner sells the gun, it would be wise of that person to record that the gun was sold and to whom, again kind of like a car. If that were the law, would you want to buy a gun from your father and not transfer ownership(responsibility)? Of course unrecorded sales would happen, but I can tell you with complete assurance, I will never sell a car without recording the sale with the State. And I suspect most gun buyers would do the same.

Nice touch for next week ...

At State of the Union, Dems to send message on gun violence - CBS News
I wonder if Biden will repeat his statement that the gun control laws he is pushing won't do anything to stop mass shootings or substantially reduce the number of firearms deaths. Kind of doubt that he will, but Uncle Joe does tend to let things slip on occasion.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The owner of the gun shouldn't be liable. The user of the gun is liable for the action provided the owner is not grossly negligent.
If someone makes an illegal sale he should be held responsible.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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What is up with all of these delusional right wingers? No one is out to "grab" your guns, dunces. The proposed regulations only deal with new purchases. Please, for the love of god, stop being so stupid and at least try to educate yourselves.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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It really depends. If you sell now, you are guaranteed to get something for your weapons. If you wait till they are outlawed, you lose all.
Nope, it just means you can't sell it. You still own it. People think that banning selling them means you cannot have them. That is not correct. I just bought a stripped lower and can now build a completely legal AR no matter what garbage bans they put into place. I have high cap mags that are legal (for me) as I beat the last ban here in CA. They are getting existing guns off the streets and all this saber rattling does is add even more guns to the streets for no reason at all.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: 406
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"Series of events" is a general term to say if one were to go crazy during over time, they shouldn't be able to buy a gun.
And what, pray tell, does a civilian have to do in the mind of an anti-gun parnoiac that implies going "crazy over time"?

Receive a DUI?

Write a bad check?

Publically criticize gun control?

Jaywalk?

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It is good that in your state you have to have a background check yearly for your CCW, this should be done with all gun sales, but at least your state is doing it annually, but they should be doing it annually with all gun owners, not just CCW holders.
Your creepy infatuation with regulating the property and activity of all future and current gun owners in entirety is, in my estimation, an underhanded little ploy to establish a federal database (registry) that, in the real world, would not place firearms associated with criminal activity on the radar (in case you haven't realized, the U.S. is located in perfect proximity to countries that are epicenters for illegal firearm trade), but only ensure that federal bureaucracy receives regulatory authority over yet more civilian activity.

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"Efficient laws are what is needed, like a Universal Background Check so that one can't just go to a state with lax laws to get their guns.
So does this mean that New Jerseans can blame their unflattering firearms crime rate on Virginia? North Carolina? Delaware? New Hampshire? Vermont? Maine? Texas, perhaps?

Nevertheless, everyone knows that background checks would've prevented Nancy Lanza from owning the firearms that her son stole from her, and we all know that background checks stopped James Holmes and Seung-Hui Cho, and we can definitely be certain that background checks would've prevented Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from receiving weapons from their older friends who had no criminal records.

It's all so easy!

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"Criminals do not obey the law, that is why they are criminals. I am all for making it near impossible and easier to catch those that buy guns legally and then turn around to illegally sell them to criminals. Any way to make it easier for law enforcement to track down those people who are illegally supplying guns to criminals is a good thing when it comes to stopping the use of illegal guns.
Basic common sense shall dictate that law enforcement is not, in the event of a firearm homicide post-UBC legislation, going to locate criminally owned firearms that will not be run through a NICS check by gang-bangers and druglords.

Utopia, here we come!
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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If someone makes an illegal sale he should be held responsible.
Already done.
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