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Old 02-09-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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There are two kinds of capitalism. There is the kind where a few have all the big capital, and there is the kind where since people own their own labor, they can turn their labor into capital creating a large and powerful middle class. The people own their labor, not the government.
Still redistributes wealth.... kinda what economies do.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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Nah, government does that when they take away a portion of your wealth by force, and gives it to someone else who did nothing to earn it. Half of federal spending involves this form of theft.
LOLZ. No one has got a gun to your head forcing you to stay in this country. Leave America for that ultra conservative uptopia.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Still redistributes wealth.... kinda what economies do.
Yes -- it comes down to who owns you.

Do you own yourself, and therefore your own labor and the proceeds of your labor? Is the money you worked for, that you sweated and exhausted yourself for, your money? If so, then you are in a form of capitalist society where you exchange your labor for capital that you can invest and spend.

If the government owns the proceeds of your labor, like in the USA, it can tax you to death, leave you with little to spend or invest but those who didn't work for it are happily spending it, spending the money you worked for -- it's a form of slavery in reality when others benefit from your labor and you do not benefit from it.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Yes -- it comes down to who owns you.
Well certainly. I just always get an amusement when people start off their definition of socialism or communism with "redistribution of wealth"...
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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LOLZ. No one has got a gun to your head forcing you to stay in this country. Leave America for that ultra conservative uptopia.
Why should I leave, their are plenty of despotic dictators that would love to tell you how they think you should live, stop trying to turn the USA into one of those. BTW, when did basic civil rights become an unobtainable Utopia to *******s?
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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[quote=Wapasha;28167274]Why should I leave, their are plenty of despotic dictators that would love to tell you how they think you should live, stop trying to turn the USA into one of those.

Why should you stay with your attitude? Seems you wouldn't be happy.

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BTW, when did basic civil rights become an unobtainable Utopia to *******s?
I'm not sure when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of outlawing such civil rights so I have no idea? Perhaps you can point me to some cases....
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