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Old 02-18-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Most states have restrictions on late term abortions, even liberal states, so there are unique issues with it.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I read your posts, but you did not respond to the specifics of OI. If the baby/fetus fractures limbs while in utero causing immense pain, fractures more limbs during childbirth either vaginally or via c-section, and then lives in immense pain for a few more days before dying of respiratory and/or cardiac failure, you consider it humane to just do nothing?
Once again, the life of the baby means nothing to Pro-lifers - once it is born.

Of course, all of the pro-lifers know EXACTly what they would do in this situation, fractured limbs and all. They have no problem with a baby living in pain for a few days - why, heck, that is meaningless! As long as the birth takes place.

Please.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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Or you want not to continue to be pregnant and then give birth to a child incompatable with life.
So you must kill the baby so it won't die later.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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So you must kill the baby so it won't die later.
Or make a decision privately with your doctor that minimizes the pain and suffering of the fetus and of the woman?
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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Or make a decision privately with your doctor that minimizes the pain and suffering of the fetus and of the woman?
Made decision privately with some doctor (I doubt the abortionist was it) to kill baby in utero so it wouldn't be born alive and possibly die in pain a few days later.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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Made decision privately with some doctor (I doubt the abortionist was it) to kill baby in utero so it wouldn't be born alive and possibly die in pain a few days later.
The right to make medical decisions privately is not a small right.

The right to privacy ensures that you don't know what was wrong with the baby, nor what threat the anomalies posed to the woman.

Since we don't know that information, the rush to judge the woman seems premature.

And yet, not only are pro-lifers rushing to judge this woman, but their judgment seems to be that she was stupid, selfish, or mentally imbalanced by pregnancy hormones, all negative judgments based on zero information.

The pro-woman stance is that what happened was a tragedy, and that it's wrong to politicize this tragedy to advance your own agenda.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Abortion is an accepted medical procedure. Made legal by Roe v. Wade. In the United States, over 40 years ago. This law is not going to change. No one "murdered" a baby. I have issues with this entire thread.
SCOTUS cannot make law.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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The right to make medical decisions privately is not a small right.

The right to privacy ensures that you don't know what was wrong with the baby, nor what threat the anomalies posed to the woman.

Since we don't know that information, the rush to judge the woman seems premature.

And yet, not only are pro-lifers rushing to judge this woman, but their judgment seems to be that she was stupid, selfish, or mentally imbalanced by pregnancy hormones, all negative judgments based on zero information.

The pro-woman stance is that what happened was a tragedy, and that it's wrong to politicize this tragedy to advance your own agenda.
To paraphrase Rahm Emanuel and others, 'You never want a serious tragedy to go to waste.'

Without Newtown, gun control wouldn't be on the political chart. There's Megan's Law, Laci's law, the Matthew Shepard Act, the Brady bill, a ton of political acts from individual tragedy.

Was there a secret vote to pronounce 'the pro-woman stance.' How come the pro-woman stance doesn't include allowing women everywhere in the country to legally abort after viability if the fetus has a genetic defect or serious deformity or abnormality.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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To paraphrase Rahm Emanuel and others, 'You never want a serious tragedy to go to waste.'

Without Newtown, gun control wouldn't be on the political chart. There's Megan's Law, Laci's law, the Matthew Shepard Act, the Brady bill, a ton of political acts from individual tragedy.

Was there a secret vote to pronounce 'the pro-woman stance.' How come the pro-woman stance doesn't include allowing women everywhere in the country to legally abort after viability if the fetus has a genetic defect or serious deformity or abnormality.
I describe my own stance as pro-woman. Because I believe that any and all women should be able to consult with her doctor or any other party she finds relevant, to assess her personal situation and review the options available to her. I believe that any and all women should be able to privately determine what's best for herself. I believe that women are intelligent, and moral, and responsible, and capable of making those decisions for herself. I believe that respecting a woman's judgment, and her freedom to exercise that judgment is the basis for equality. And I believe that EVERY argument against women controlling their own bodies is based on the presumption that women are stupid, immoral, irresponsible, or incapable of making decisions for herself. A position I vehemently disagree with.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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How come the pro-woman stance doesn't include allowing women everywhere in the country to legally abort after viability if the fetus has a genetic defect or serious deformity or abnormality.
It does, but the pro-life terrorists have shut down abortion providers, and chased underground the remainder.
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