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I've been a member of this forum for three years now (as of Feb 8). While looking over the many threads in the "politics and other controversies" section, I at first was struck by the large number of threads related to gay issues, such as:
I Have The Right To Refuse Service: Restaurant Owner Turns Away Gay Rights Group After He Learned What They Advocate
They Are Abomination Unto The Lord: Baker Who Refused To Make Wedding Cake For Lesbian Couple Faces State Investigation
TX Gov Rick Perry urges Boy Scouts to continue ban on gays
Gay guy comes out to pizza guy
Gay activist admits plans to mass murder workers
Gay West Point Cadet (And If Obama Had A Son, He'd Look Like This) Escorts His Boyfriend To Winter Weekend Formal
One Baby, One Gay Dad, Two Lesbian Moms And You Wonder Why Children Are Screwed Up Today
And those are only from the first page of topics. [The only issues that seem to grab more threads are Obama-hating, gun rights ("you can't regulate me !"), and abortion ("it's murder !")]. After reading a lot of these threads through and through (which I'll not do again anytime soon), I came to the realization that certain parts of the C-D forum have become the domain of the disaffected: those (mostly older) Americans who have become estranged from societal progress, disdainful of differences, alienated from their neighbors, distrustful of evidence not in synch with their beliefs, hostile to people who question the basis of their beliefs, and fearful of the future ... all because ...
they saw their neighbors down the street (2 men) kissing each other in the driveway before going to work, or
they believe their children's third-grade teacher is gay, or
some lesbians want to buy a wedding cake like any other engaged couple, or
the Boy Scouts are considering acknowledging the gay leaders and members already on its rolls, or
a gay West Point cadet takes his date to a formal dance, or
two lesbians have a baby using the sperm of a friend,
and on, and on, and on, and on, and on .......
The rationale of all this homophobia ? Usually religious lunacy, or the "protection" of children, or "people will never accept that !", or "who do they think they are, demanding special rights ?!?", or "they're forcing their 'beliefs' down my throat", or "we've never allowed things like this !", or some combination thereof. The homophobia of the disaffected is loud and unrelenting, despite the facts that:
gay people don't "recruit" children, or molest them any more than "straight" people do
the military hasn't gone to hell in the year since DADT was thrown out the window
straight service members aren't "fragging" gay service members (as "Old Army Soldier" fears)
no one in Massachusetts has wanted to marry three people, or a goat, or any combo thereof, in the almost nine years since the state began to allow gay marriage
thousands of children have been successfully raised by gay couples without "transforming" them into homosexuals (including my own son, now 30 years old and straight and a Yale grad, whom my partner and I adopted when he was 8 years old)
tens of thousands of gay Boy Scouts (myself included) have not tarnished the image of the BSA
I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to the simple question: just what business is it of yours who marries whom ? or who sleeps with whom ? (as long as both are consenting adults). Don't say the bible, because I don't share your beliefs, and it's not the law of this country. Don't say "protection of the children", because the overwhelming view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child abuse and protection is that homosexuals do not pose any special threat to children. Don't say "special rights" because gay people only want rights that everyone else already has. Don't say "we've never done this" because this isn't the 50s and it's not my fault you're a Stepford wife.
No ... there is no valid answer. It's none of your f****n business. What encourages me: (1) the large number of C-D members who call out the homophobes and expose their flawed arguments and fears, and (2) the inexorable progress of gay rights in this country and other countries. I won't detail that progress, because others have done so on this forum, but thanks mainly to the younger people in this country, the right of gay people to marry who they choose is marching on, and, I predict, will be validated by the Supreme Court. The time will come when it will be legal in every jurisdiction. The train has left the station and will not be turning back.
So to the homophobes among us, I say: you've lost. You can rant about what used to be, or what ills will occur, and how horrible everything will be, but no one believes you, and you're wrong anyway. Be prepared to be unhappy until you accept the inevitable.
You'll get over it, I did.
It's right wing rhetoric, they're showing their colors, and it's not a rainbow either.
Look for another GOP defeat in 2016. That's not my prediction though. But the hard right had predicted a willard landslide, and it never happened, and some of those that did tucked and ran away from the forum because of embarrassment to themselves. Some came back under different different user names.
As soon as the GOP distances itself from these hard righties, the sooner voters will begin to come back to the party.
If he lived a normal place and has a normal Jury the gay guy would be put in jail for sexual harassment.
Given that you've indirectly admitted to me that you're not Jewish, but merely posing as one for the sake of the City-Data Forums, I have to analyze your comment from some other perspective - a Muslim one, a skinhead one, whatever it is that is your true background.
Given that, here's a lesson for you - from the Jewish perspective. Jews are generally liberal, and very open to people living their lives as they desire, as long as these do no harm to others. Ultraorthodox Jews (which are a minority) tend to be conservative. However, I've never known one to demand that gays be put in jail.
I wish someone would pay me for teaching them what they don't know. I'd have a 2nd salary coming in, just to spend on sushi and shoes!
The rationale of all this homophobia ? Usually religious lunacy,
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Originally Posted by sibelian
Don't say the bible, because I don't share your beliefs, and it's not the law of this country.
Pretty much this sums it up.
Without the religious (hugely subjective) angle, there is nothing left. Except for the personal "I don't like that lifestyle" angle which is at least honest but fails as an argument since one who "doesnt approve personally" need not engage in a same sex relationship.
did you miss the part the sexually harassment part.
Hitting on someone is not sexual harassment, unless the person gets physical, or is in a position of power (work place)
Someone asking you out is not sexual harassment. If it were most men would be in jail for sexual harassment.
did you miss the part the sexually harassment part.
Is someone sexually harassing you? What on earth are you referring to? In all my years, I've never been sexually harassed by a gay person. I have, however, been harassed by a straight man.
Hitting on someone is not sexual harassment, unless the person gets physical, or is in a position of power (work place)
Someone asking you out is not sexual harassment. If it were most men would be in jail for sexual harassment.
some asking a member of the same sex out in a sexual way is sexual harassment.
The fact that yo don't get that is a major part of your problem.
Is someone sexually harassing you? What on earth are you referring to? In all my years, I've never been sexually harassed by a gay person. I have, however, been harassed by a straight man.
follow the conversation backward and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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