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Old 03-10-2013, 05:12 AM
 
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Every time the minimum wage is put on a statewide ballot, the people vote to increase it. I often hear conservatives screeching, "Let the people decide!" Do they suddenly not have any respect for the people if they don't vote the way conservatives want them to?

And by the way, Australia's minimum-wage is about $16 an hour, and their economy is doing quite well.
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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Every time the minimum wage is put on a statewide ballot, the people vote to increase it. I often hear conservatives screeching, "Let the people decide!" Do they suddenly not have any respect for the people if they don't vote the way conservatives want them to?

And by the way, Australia's minimum-wage is about $16 an hour, and their economy is doing quite well.
Nobody in this thread has said CA or NY can't raise their min wage. However, there is a big difference between a city or state min wage and a federal min wage. Australia is able to benefit from mining demand from China and if you have mining skills you can make a lot of money in Australia, but that demand is going to decrease when Mongolia comes online. The min wage workers in Australia are still facing high unemployment though.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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The truth is that once you demolish the minimum wage / living wage concept, noone will will pay for skills either. You will be surprised when they will bring a foreign worker or outsource or offer a non-living wage for those jobs also whom you consider to be in demand. After all profits-even slavery was based on profit.
People that make minimum wage don't have skills, that's why they make minimum wage.

More than 98% of all jobs in the United States pay more than mimumum wage. The idea that people will drop below that level all of sudden if you abolish the law is stupid.

Here's an example of what happens with no minimum wage. Matter of fact there were no unions to speak of and the government didn't interfere in the workplace either.

According to United States Census data real wages for manufacturing rose 50% from 1865-1890 and another 34% from 1891-1914.

You'll also find child labor was dropping rapidly and workers hours leveled out at about 40 hours a week.

And millions of unionized workers in Western Europe left for the non-union U.S.

FDR and the Unions fixed all these problems in the 1930s. You know, a couple decades after capitalism solved them. lols.

Most progressive and big govt/union types deal with this reality by ignoring it
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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People that make minimum wage don't have skills, that's why they make minimum wage.

More than 98% of all jobs in the United States pay more than mimumum wage. The idea that people will drop below that level all of sudden if you abolish the law is stupid.

Here's an example of what happens with no minimum wage. Matter of fact there were no unions to speak of and the government didn't interfere in the workplace either.

According to United States Census data real wages for manufacturing rose 50% from 1865-1890 and another 34% from 1891-1914.

You'll also find child labor was dropping rapidly and workers hours leveled out at about 40 hours a week.

And millions of unionized workers in Western Europe left for the non-union U.S.

FDR and the Unions fixed all these problems in the 1930s. You know, a couple decades after capitalism solved them. lols.

Most progressive and big govt/union types deal with this reality by ignoring it
I think there was a strong presence of Labor Unions even in 19th Century.
Labor history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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I think there was a strong presence of Labor Unions even in 19th Century.
Labor history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to the U.S. Census data less than 3% of workers in the United States were union.

And they had no legal protections either. i.e. no legal right to collectively bargain, go on strike, ect...


What you "think" is not important.

Fact is wages were increasing for 60 years without unions and minimum wage laws at a faster rate then they have with them.

The more economic freedom people have the more wealthy everyone will be.
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".

Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.

Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.
Australia has a minimum wage of about $15 and unemployment rate of 5.4%.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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According to the U.S. Census data less than 3% of workers in the United States were union.

And they had no legal protections either. i.e. no legal right to collectively bargain, go on strike, ect...


What you "think" is not important.

Fact is wages were increasing for 60 years without unions and minimum wage laws at a faster rate then they have with them.

The more economic freedom people have the more wealthy everyone will be.

But there were Labor Unions in 19th century. You were denying their existence. There were many famous strikes in 19th century. Read this again:-
Labor history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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Australia has a minimum wage of about $15 and unemployment rate of 5.4%.
The mining boom has been good to Australia and the recent oil find will help them as well, but unskilled laborers still face a high unemployment rate and difficulty time with poverty.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:15 AM
 
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But there were Labor Unions in 19th century. You were denying their existence. There were many famous strikes in 19th century. Read this again:-
Labor history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I never denied there existence and I never said the ones that were around didn't go on strike.

I said that according to Census numbers less than 3% of the workforce was unionized. And there were very few laws "protecting" unions or workers. There were no minimum wage laws.

Adjusted for inflation, manufacturing wages went up 50% from 1865-1890 and another 34% from 1891-1914.

This proves 2 things: Don't need workplace laws and unions to earn a good living. Matter of fact, workers are better off without them. And union leaders are lying when they say they built the middle class, created the weekend, ended child labor, etc.....Just look at government data. it proves the labor movement is a scam.
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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Here's a look back at what the minimum wage could buy throughout the last few decades.

Minimum Wage and What It Buys You: 1950s to Now

Housing costs are the real problem for today's low wage workers. Back in the 1950s, even if you made minimum wage, you could pay the average rent on about 30% of your income. Today, it's more like 60%.

If it weren't for housing costs, the current minimum wage would be acceptable. But this is one area where I question the motives of Democrats, who often do everything they can to encourage so-called "smart growth" policies. These restrictive policies drive up the cost of land and housing for everyone in the area. Now how is that helpful to the lower-income workers who they supposedly support? If Democrats really wanted to help lower-income workers, they would reject these policies and open up more land for development. This would alleviate the pressures that drive up housing costs, and improve the lives of their constituents.
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