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The U.S. is not the richest country in the nation. If we were, we also wouldnt have the highest debt on the planet.
Somehow you also equate that notion to businesses being able to afford a $12 an hour min. wage, which is just plain laughable.
The vast majority of minimum wage jobs simply arent worth $12 an hour.
The United States certainly is the richest country on the planet. Every job is worth at least $12 dollars an hour which is the 1968 equivalent and somehow the country survived back then.
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".
Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.
Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.
a single person on minimum wage can not even afford a 1 bed room apartment on minimum wage in this nation without some kind of help, so take the family argument out of it.
a single person on minimum wage can not even afford a 1 bed room apartment on minimum wage in this nation without some kind of help, so take the family argument out of it.
My son is doing it. $570 a month and it includes cable and internet.
Imo, if you make minimum wage, you need to work *more* than 40 hours a week to make it livable, even as a single person *if* you don't take the benefits the government has to offer.
Surely you can post proof that I am a "right winger" correct? Lets see it......
Minimum wage is low for a reason. People with experience and/or marketable skills come with a higher price. Minimum wage is for low to no skill workers.
No one is entitled to a "living wage" and it certainly isnt a function of government to mandate it. Higher wages are EARNED through obtaining additional skills and experience in your chosen field. With Pell grants and countless other available means to further ones education, even extremely low income can still improve themselves. Hell, if you are into IT, there are countless sites offering online education for free. They will teach you how to code in any number of languages, thereby opening up the wonderful world of additional freelance income for those so inclined.
Low to no skill work comes with little pay, as it rightfully should. If you want to be able to afford nicer things, and support a family, that right there is your motivation for improving your marketability.
It's called personal responsibility, and sadly it is going the way of the dinosaurs. That is just one more reason why the future of this nation is looking extremely grim.
Here's why I say right-wing:
* You spout the same simplistic ideas as right-wing media - as though it's still the 1950s and there are plenty of jobs available and the American economy is not one of outsourcing jobs into the "global economy" to take advantage of indentured foreign labor.
* "Personal responsibility" is a favorite catchphrase of conservative media aimed at the lower classes, while they themselves promote funnelling money to the rich. In other words, where is the "personal responsibility" of bankers who depend upon taxpayer bailouts?
* It sounds like you may not believe in a "mandated" minimum wage at all - that you believe any American worker should compete in the global labor market.
* There is nothing in my post, or my beliefs, that suggests wages should not be based upon marketable skills. We are talking about basic minimum levels of existence here. There is a low point where poverty is a trap.
Again, why am I off base in my assumption?
The United States certainly is the richest country on the planet. Every job is worth at least $12 dollars an hour which is the 1968 equivalent and somehow the country survived back then.
Jobs are worth what ever value it brings in minus the largest cut the employer can take.
He doesn't. He's got his own 1 bedroom.
$570, $80 electric, $35 cell phone, $30-40 weekly food
Still leaves him spending money.
He can walk to work and there's a free bus system for students.
It's a low COL town. I acknowledge this cannot be done everywhere.
He's been there for almost a year and will be getting a raise.
He already got some food certifications done so will be getting more $ per hour next month and will no longer be min wage.
a single person on minimum wage can not even afford a 1 bed room apartment on minimum wage in this nation without some kind of help, so take the family argument out of it.
Then that single person should go learn a skill so that they get more than minimum wage.
If a person is doing a job that any high school kid and learn to do part time after school in a week then that person doesn't earn more than minimum wage.
If you can operate complex machinery or repair electronics or build a house or any number of other tasks that don't require a college education but do require some skills, then you will get more than minimum wage. If all you do is punch keys on a cash register or restock shelves at a grocery store then you don't deserve more than minimum wage.
Here's why I say right-wing:
* You spout the same simplistic ideas as right-wing media - as though it's still the 1950s and there are plenty of jobs available and the American economy is not one of outsourcing jobs into the "global economy" to take advantage of indentured foreign labor.
* "Personal responsibility" is a favorite catchphrase of conservative media aimed at the lower classes, while they themselves promote funnelling money to the rich. In other words, where is the "personal responsibility" of bankers who depend upon taxpayer bailouts?
* It sounds like you may not believe in a "mandated" minimum wage at all - that you believe any American worker should compete in the global labor market.
* There is nothing in my post, or my beliefs, that suggests wages should not be based upon marketable skills. We are talking about basic minimum levels of existence here. There is a low point where poverty is a trap.
Again, why am I off base in my assumption?
But then again, why should employers support basic level of minimum existence?
Eventually the rich will replace many of our jobs with robotics.
When that happens they will inherit the earth, and our lives would be at their mercy, all because of market forces and humanity's instinct to reproduce like crazy.
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