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Old 02-14-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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The slaves in the north werent freed until after the civil war
Well, there was the entire amendment thing to deal with...
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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652K died because secessionists tried to rip this country in half.
625k people died because America refused to deal with (read: END) slavery for 70 or so years.

it was worth too much to the south, and it was worth to much to the textile industry in the north...

secessionists certainly were evil men who sought to extend an evil practice and they were certainly part and parcel to the distruction visited upon the nation.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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There were 5 slave holding states that did no join the Confederacy. As a philosophical point, you don't think a state or group of states has a right to seek a different government? If no, then you disagree with the concept of the United States.

Battlefield deaths were 140,000 Union soldiers and 75,000 Confederate soldiers.
Whatever the number of dead Confederates, clearly not nearly enough were killed. I wish that whole army had been wiped out.

And yes...Lincoln was right. 1000%.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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Whatever the number of dead Confederates, clearly not nearly enough were killed. I wish that whole army had been wiped out.

And yes...Lincoln was right. 1000%.
If Ted Nugent types ever get the courage to launch their civil war, you might get your wish.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:32 PM
 
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Whatever the number of dead Confederates, clearly not nearly enough were killed. I wish that whole army had been wiped out.

And yes...Lincoln was right. 1000%.

These numbers should really make you sad. Which makes me happy. I dont like people who like to see people die.

Union Casualties:
140k+ KIA
325K total dead
275K+ wounded

Confederate Casualties:
72K+ KIA
260K total dead
137K+ wounded
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Lincoln's aggressive war against the Confederates caused 625,000 deaths. After 2 years of battle, he issued the Emancipatin Proclamation correcting the terrible wrong of slavery.
You can't prove that.

Name one slave freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. If you can name one, let me know...I'm well-connected. I'll get us on the talk radio and TV circuit plus the university lecture circuit.

We will be rich beyond the wildest dreams of avarice.

Historically...

Mircea
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Whatever the number of dead Confederates, clearly not nearly enough were killed. I wish that whole army had been wiped out.

And yes...Lincoln was right. 1000%.
I agree 100%...

If the entire army was wiped out maybe organizations like the KKK might have never existed and reconstruction would have worked...
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
These numbers should really make you sad. Which makes me happy. I dont like people who like to see people die.

Union Casualties:
140k+ KIA
325K total dead
275K+ wounded

Confederate Casualties:
72K+ KIA
260K total dead
137K+ wounded
Nope. No change of emotion outta me. In fact, I'm waiting on a plate of fajitas to get to my table.

Sooooooo....
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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I agree 100%...

If the entire army was wiped out maybe organizations like the KKK might have never existed and reconstruction would have worked...
had reconstruction not taken the form of visiting additional punishment on the south, and had the south not been invaded by yankee carpetbaggers, there would have been far fewer organizations like the KKK.

recontruction didnt fail because of the KKK it failed because it was a terrible policy.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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In truth, it was the confederate states that was violently aggressive, not only towards the Rest of the US, but also towards Cuba (via Narciso Lopez) and Nicaragua and Mexico (William Walker). The slab owning class that ran the states truly wanted to expand their sick institution throughout the Americas, and they openly called for wars in order to make it so.
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