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Old 02-14-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Lincoln's aggressive war against the Confederates caused 625,000 deaths. After 2 years of battle, he issued the Emancipatin Proclamation correcting the terrible wrong of slavery. Is aggressive action causing so many deaths negated by the EP?

If yes, compare freeing the Iraqis from slavery of Saddam and Bush causing 3500 deaths.

My opinion, both Lincoln and Bush were wrong to attack and cause the damage they caused.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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Personally, if I were him I'd do it all over again. Frankly, I think he shouldn't have taken any POWs, and he should have pumped every last confed full of bullets or until the chamber stopped smoking
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Abraham Lincoln, our greatest President, was obligated to defend the United States against the attack by South Carolina forces at Fort Sumter, and was further obligated to defend the United States against an attemtped rebellion by the slave holding states.

The fact that he brought about the end of slavery and the fact that he preserved the Union are the two things that make him our greatest president.

I must say, though, that you're a bit off in your count. The total of our dead was almost 400,000, but I frankly don't care in the least how many of the enemy were killed.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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Two different countries. How can you compare that.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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Abraham Lincoln, our greatest President, was obligated to defend the United States against the attack by South Carolina forces at Fort Sumter, and was further obligated to defend the United States against an attemtped rebellion by the slave holding states.

The fact that he brought about the end of slavery and the fact that he preserved the Union are the two things that make him our greatest president.

I must say, though, that you're a bit off in your count. The total of our dead was almost 400,000, but I frankly don't care in the least how many of the enemy were killed.
There were 5 slave holding states that did no join the Confederacy. As a philosophical point, you don't think a state or group of states has a right to seek a different government? If no, then you disagree with the concept of the United States.

Battlefield deaths were 140,000 Union soldiers and 75,000 Confederate soldiers.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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The civil was fought to preserve the union more than it was to free slaves. The confederate army is as much to blame for those deaths as Lincoln was. Perhaps pro-confederates should be asking if their attempts at secession were worth it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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Two different countries. How can you compare that.
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Both involved aggressive actions brought on by US Presidents that were doing "the right thing."

I personally don't think the US has the right to involve itself in so many of the wars we are involved unless we're attacked. What justification do you have to attack another country?
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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Both involved aggressive actions brought on by US Presidents that were doing "the right thing."

I personally don't think the US has the right to involve itself in so many of the wars we are involved unless we're attacked. What justification do you have to attack another country?
The South was not another country. Was preserving the United States worth 625K lives?
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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Lincoln's aggressive war against the Confederates caused 625,000 deaths. After 2 years of battle, he issued the Emancipatin Proclamation correcting the terrible wrong of slavery. Is aggressive action causing so many deaths negated by the EP?

If yes, compare freeing the Iraqis from slavery of Saddam and Bush causing 3500 deaths.

My opinion, both Lincoln and Bush were wrong to attack and cause the damage they caused.
Emancipatin Proclamation - "Proclaimed all those enslaved in Confederate territory to be forever free". I don't know what your education on slavery is but the proclamation didn't "correct the terrible wrong of slavery". I would suggest you read the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Emancipation Proclamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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That iit was decided by a war is more about econmy then ,UK abandoned slavery i the 1800's also.
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