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Old 02-15-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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USG: "You're guilty of causing the crash"
Bank: "We'll pay you 250 billion dollars and call it even"
USG: "Ok. Next bank please."

We just got $1.9 billion from HSBC.
New York State just got $340 million from Standard Chartered bank.

It's a new revenue stream.
Don't lump HSBC in with those causing the crash "windfalls". They were just laundering drug money. lol
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Government guaranteeing everything had nothing to do with the nonsense that went on in the mortgage world did it. Gimme a break. They all knew exactly what they were doing and knew they were taking no risks because the taxpayers were insuring it all. Now they are going to do it all over again. Why wouldn't they is the question. Nobody has done anything to stop em.

Where all those car loans and credit card debts that were securitized insured by the government? The same government that forced banks to loan to folks who couldn't afford to make their payments to begin with.
You speculated that securitizing student loans was next. I responsed by telling you that such loans have been securitized for decades.

I also fyi'd that car loans and credit card debt are also securitized, albeit none of it is guaranteed by government.

The issue is not securitization. Rather, it how the collateral is rated. The independent rating agencies failed to perform, just one of the many pieces of the puzzle with unintended consequences.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Don't lump HSBC in with those causing the crash "windfalls". They were just laundering drug money. lol
LOL..now I can't keep up with those silly banks and their hijinks
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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You speculated that securitizing student loans was next. I responsed by telling you that such loans have been securitized for decades.

I also fyi'd that car loans and credit card debt are also securitized, albeit none of it is guaranteed by government.

The issue is not securitization. Rather, it how the collateral is rated. The independent rating agencies failed to perform, just one of the many pieces of the puzzle with unintended consequences.
Well if it's not guaranteed by the big fat fed then folks won't run around like they're playing with house money like happened with the mortgage fiasco.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:26 PM
 
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You speculated that securitizing student loans was next. I responsed by telling you that such loans have been securitized for decades.

I also fyi'd that car loans and credit card debt are also securitized, albeit none of it is guaranteed by government.

The issue is not securitization. Rather, it how the collateral is rated. The independent rating agencies failed to perform, just one of the many pieces of the puzzle with unintended consequences.
And what has been done about that? Nothing.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And what has been done about that? Nothing.
The USG is suing S&P. More money for the coffers.
Nothing about Moody's yet. I guess they'll wait to see how much S&P coughs up.
The number being thrown around for S&P is about $5 billion.
I figure they'll settle for $2 billion and everything goes back to BAU.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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The USG is suing S&P. More money for the coffers.
Nothing about Moody's yet. I guess they'll wait to see how much S&P coughs up.
The number being thrown around for S&P is about $5 billion.
I figure they'll settle for $2 billion and everything goes back to BAU.
Yeah that was for one of the cliff things though wasn't it when they raised the debt ceiling after S&P said they would lower our rating if they do. Of course they did it anyway and S&P lowered our rating so they sue. LOL
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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"Too Big to Fail has become Too Big for Trial" - YouTube

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Old 02-15-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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oh, the gullibility never ends, does it?


Warren was a litigator on behalf of Traveler's Insurance fighting asbestos related lawsuits brought by workers.

Warren who has decried the evil practice of purchasing foreclosed properties and displacing helpless families personally engaged in this practice—purchasing at least 12 foreclosed properties and “flipping” them for enormous profits at the expense of those less fortunate. She is now worth $14.5 million with a $5 million home. By the way, she does not pay the higher rate on her Mass. taxes. (bob doherty)

and

and as administrator of the TARP program:



From October 2008 to March 2011, the TARP oversight panel received nearly $10.5 million in taxpayer money from Congress, public records show. In its final public report issued in March, the panel broke down expenses into general categories, including $8.7 million for salaries and benefits, and $768,851 for printing costs. But line-by-line itemizations have not been released to the public or lawmakers.

During the period that roughly corresponded with Warren’s tenure on the committee, the panel spent about $8.3 million.

Nearly a year after the panel’s creation, Warren and two other Democrats in the group blocked efforts by the two Republican members – Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling and former New Hampshire Sen. John Sununu – who wanted to draft a budget and release transcripts from meetings to the public, sources familiar with the oversight panel internal operations said.

“From the very beginning, several panel members strongly recommended that a clear budget be established, and that it would be the right thing to make that public,” said one such source. “Warren had no interest in setting a budget, even as a target, no interest in disclosing even to members of the panel how much was being spent and no interest in disclosing even to members of the panel what the money was being spent on.” (politico)


they play the good cop-bad cop game and it is just like taking candy from a baby.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:43 PM
 
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More money going poof in DC. What a surprise. Didn't know warren was a real estate vulture to boot.
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