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Old 02-19-2013, 10:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Chicago Police Chief: Second Amendment Is A Danger To Public Safety | RedState

It stands to reason that someone who does not believe in the oath that they have taken will not be able to uphold it.
Therefore should it not be reasonable to dismiss anyone from service that openly states disagreement with the Constitution after swearing to uphold it.
Is this not in fact, since it is the Supreme Law of the Land, tantamount to treason?
The Constitution was established to limit powers of government over the people in order to prevent tyranny.
Government by its nature, and the nature of humans to rule over other humans, needs restraints to prevent the abuse of government that we have seen so many times throughout history.
If a member of the government declares publically that they do not support the contract between the people and the government, are they in fact not advocating doing away with the guarantees that the government will not become tyrannical?
Is this not an act of treason against a country of the people, by the people, and for the people?
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Chicago Police Chief: Second Amendment Is A Danger To Public Safety | RedState

It stands to reason that someone who does not believe in the oath that they have taken will not be able to uphold it.
Therefore should it not be reasonable to dismiss anyone from service that openly states disagreement with the Constitution after swearing to uphold it.
Is this not in fact, since it is the Supreme Law of the Land, tantamount to treason?
The Constitution was established to limit powers of government over the people in order to prevent tyranny.
Government by its nature, and the nature of humans to rule over other humans, needs restraints to prevent the abuse of government that we have seen so many times throughout history.
If a member of the government declares publically that they do not support the contract between the people and the government, are they in fact not advocating doing away with the guarantees that the government will not become tyrannical?
Is this not an act of treason against a country of the people, by the people, and for the people?
No.
Because the Constitution is able to be amended.

Do you think that anyone who has proposed an amendment to the Constitution is a traitor?
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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No.
Because the Constitution is able to be amended.

Do you think that anyone who has proposed an amendment to the Constitution is a traitor?
Do you really think what this man is doing is proposing an amendment? If so then he is doing it in an inappropriate venue.
His duty is to uphold the law. As a private citizen he has a right to say whatever he chooses. As a sworn Officer he needs to respect the laws and not speak out against them.
He is free to resign and say whatever he likes. He is not free to use his public office as a pulpit for his personal opinions.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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I read the article and couldn't find a quote that backed up claims made by the OP. Can you show me the actual quote
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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No.
Because the Constitution is able to be amended.

Do you think that anyone who has proposed an amendment to the Constitution is a traitor?
Which of our office holders puts his hand on the Holy Bible when he swears his fealty to the Constitution? I will give you a hint. The last time it was done it was done with 2 Bibles.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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Is this not in fact, since it is the Supreme Law of the Land, tantamount to treason?
No.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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I don't think any sort of precedent should be set based upon what a political appointee in a failing city has to say.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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When these politicians write & try & write their own laws in this country around Constiutional rights it is Treason. They are not trying to get an anendment as you speak of.
Amendment changes to the Constitution is a different situation all together.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Chicago Police Chief: Second Amendment Is A Danger To Public Safety | RedState

It stands to reason that someone who does not believe in the oath that they have taken will not be able to uphold it.
Therefore should it not be reasonable to dismiss anyone from service that openly states disagreement with the Constitution after swearing to uphold it.
Is this not in fact, since it is the Supreme Law of the Land, tantamount to treason?
The Constitution was established to limit powers of government over the people in order to prevent tyranny.
Government by its nature, and the nature of humans to rule over other humans, needs restraints to prevent the abuse of government that we have seen so many times throughout history.
If a member of the government declares publically that they do not support the contract between the people and the government, are they in fact not advocating doing away with the guarantees that the government will not become tyrannical?
Is this not an act of treason against a country of the people, by the people, and for the people?


fired no, tried for treason and sentenced yes. anyone who takes an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the USA and tries their best to knock the Constitution down, should be lined up against the wall.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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No.
Because the Constitution is able to be amended.

Do you think that anyone who has proposed an amendment to the Constitution is a traitor?

if they are trying to amend it, then that is the legal process for doing so. but to not go for the amending process and go against the Constitution should be a treasonable offense.
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