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Old 02-20-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The point is, that unemployment is so high, so many people out of work, and so many applicants to the same job. So who do you hire with so many applicants, some kid out of high school, who may not be able to read his diploma, or a college grad who might be able to at least read that high school diploma?
No, the point is the OP was just another lame-ass, meaningless self-Righteous whine about liberals.

The statement "If one tries to even insinuate that maybe college might not be right for everyone. they(liberals) throw a hissy fit" is a troll, nothing else.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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No, but the left in this country is the "side" pushing for everyone to get a college degree.
You want to keep people stupid, don't you?
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You can thank the greedy right wingers from shipping all the honest, good paying jobs to communist China just so they can line their pockets more.
You mean we can thank the greedy investors who own the corporations' stock. Like CalPERS:
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"CalPERS is one of the largest institutional investors in both the U.S. and international stock markets."
CalPERS Equities

For those of you who don't know, CalPERS (California Public Employees Retirement System) is California's public employee unions' pension system.

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The Pension Fund That Ate California
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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All because liberals think everyone has the right to go to college.
I fail to see the connection between liberals recognizing that employers increasing requiring college degrees for employment and the need to increase the opportunity to attend college inorder to satisfy employer requirements. But then I went to college and find the absence of logic in an argument confusing.

That being said, if you want to blame anyone I suggest that you look to Chicago School economist Gary Becker who formulated the human capital theory which argues that the more an individual invests in education the greater the productivity.

This college educated observer always thought that Becker was bull**** and preferred the more logical idea put forth by economist Kenneth J. Arrow who postulated in the Great Screening Hypothesis that a college degree acted as a screening device for employers who could use the possession of a college degree as a way to limit the number of applicants, which can be further narrowed by including grade point average and even the school in which the degree was earned. In short if you have a job opening and receive 100 applications by screening out those without a college degree you can automatically reduce the number of applications by 75%. Much easier to sift through 25 applications than 100. That is what you are seeing, not that the job requires a college degree.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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You want to keep people stupid, don't you?
No I want people to pursue their dreams and get the education and training that's relevant to them.


18-year old: I want to be an electrician

Liberal: Well you can't do that, you need a college degree to be successful.

18-year old: But I really just want to go to a trade-school and be an electrician

Liberal: Here, I can give you student loans that you most likely can't pay back at credit card level interest rates. If you don't go to college you can't succeed.

18-year old: Well, what should I major in?

Liberal: How about sociology or gender studies, then you can become an electrician and pay the government back when you're done with your 4 year degree.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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Sorry, if you think perhaps that government assistance has opened up college to too many people you would be wrong.

I depended on government assistance for my college education and will need it for a graduate school education (through I will be applying for Fulbright scholarships). Not everyone who should go to college was born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Some of us have financially struggled or our parents did.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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You mean we can thank the greedy investors who own the corporations' stock. Like CalPERS:CalPERS Equities

For those of you who don't know, CalPERS (California Public Employees Retirement System) is California's public employee unions' pension system.

More on greedy CalPERS...
The Pension Fund That Ate California
No, we can thank the greedy right wingers that blocked legislation brought by the democrats to keep jobs right here in america, where they belong.

GOP Blocks Bill to Close Offshore Loophole | New York Daily News

It's funny how much the right wing propaganda machine programs their useful idiots to hate "da communists and socialists" when they themselves are turning a communist nation into the world's next superpower from their greed.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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I'm not sure if "the liberals" are to blame...but I'm certain that I've been duped. Four years of college, and $17,000 in debt, despite working part time jobs through it....(and getting more than my fair share in grants and scholarships)...

And for what? For the privilege of working a job I could have been competent at when I was 12? It's a trap...if you don't have a college degree, you're pretty much screwed...and if you do you're still screwed. Basically, anyone in college who isn't doing Engineering, Nursing, Accountancy or going on to professional school is being screwed.

Ah well, I'm thinking grad school is my only option, really. It's either that or build a business from the ground up, which is what I should've done...but the loans are crushing now, so I have to at least work a bit to pay them off.

Life isn't easy.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:06 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Like it or not, continuous learning has become part of the global economy now. Trouble is, the U.S. relies on a ''one-size-fits-all'' model that demands college as the only real alternative. While places like Germany have long had a successful ''3-tiered'' model that recognizes everyone isn't a good fit for college, but still needs training in useful skills (usually coordinated with business).

OMG, the thought of Guv-mint & Business coordinating together... horrors, that sounds like Socialism!!

The Educational System in Germany
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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You want to keep people stupid, don't you?
Have you ever been to college? It's not like there are a bunch of Einsteins walking around...
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