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Old 02-21-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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According to ranking by productivity, French worker productivity is ranked number 6 while the U.S. is ranked number 4. Norway is #1.
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per hour worked - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think there is much difference between American productivity and that of the French. I think the billionaire in question is using bias and stereotypes as his guide.
But...but he's a billionaire! Surely he can't be wrong!
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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One idea is health care. The French HC system is rated #1 in the world and costs about half of the U.S. system. If we adopted their system, we wouldn't be talking about scaling back Medicare and Medicaid.
Are you saying that all those old people who died during that hot summer some years ago because they didn't have fans or AC? Why I think you really are saying that.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Many Americans will not admit watching their kids grow up from afar. The many late nights,weekends and overtime spent away while year after year those kids grew from children to teenagers and then adults. In my case they are adult and now I cant say lets go a drive on Saturday or to the park. Those years I gave to my job.

I bet we could do better but many here feel that family time and quality of life is rubbish.
Maybe you could stay here if you spent some time at Home » cpusa to do more reading and learn how to get what you seem to want. I don't advise reading there but some people have to like it.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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French laziness produces most of its electric power (over 70%) from Nuclear power plants, TGV trains routinely zoom along at 225 mph, the LHC is located largely in France, and the world's first thermonuclear power plant the ITER is being built at Cadarache France. Over half of the world's satellites go up on a rocket Ariane 5 developed by CNRS (The French space agency) . All these achievments say it is not how many hours you work but how you work.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:03 AM
 
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What does the pay have anything to do with the level of service the employee provides?
jobs that pay less are typically less important to the people who work them

the only exception are when the employees feel they have a good shot at advancement. then they work harder.

in today's labor market, organizational structures are flatter, less hierarchical than they once were; most of these people working crap jobs have nowhere to advance to, and thus do the bare minimum needed not to get fired.

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You knew the pay going in, and knew what your duties will be, if you have a problem with either of those, you shouldn't have accepted the job.
you knew the person you hired, you knew their work ethic, if that was a problem you shouldn't have hired them.

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Don't do the job I hired you for, out the door you would go, I have a stack of persons waiting to replace you.
and if the pay is crap, the stack of "persons" you have to choose from will be just as lethargic as the one you fired.

This really isn't rocket science. A competent person with a good work ethic is not going to settle for minimum wage work for very long.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:33 AM
 
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Do you and MTA really believe that Frenchmen can produce more in 3 hours than American workers can produce in 8 hours? You sure don't think much of American workers, do you?
Its actually you who doesn't think the American worker deserves much. I'm curious, what long hours,quality of life =0 job do you have?
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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Maybe you could stay here if you spent some time at Home » cpusa to do more reading and learn how to get what you seem to want. I don't advise reading there but some people have to like it.
You didn't address anything I said. Just took time to throw out insults.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:27 AM
 
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not sure about workers at actual tire plants but Michelin tires are so much better than anything put out by an american tire companies.
I have to call BS on that. Michelin is an over rated over priced tire. I just got 45000 miles and still running with some life left on my Dougless tires and thats a 14 inch tire [cheap Goodyear made for Walmart] The Michelin's that came on the care only got to 30k and were gone. For the less mechanically inclined a 14inch tire will not get the 75k some 20 inch tires will get to. Michelin tires are for people who like to pay more for things to get a name. BS on that statement. That said, they are good tires. I would buy them if they were about 40% less. I always laugh when people say I got 80k out of my Michelin tires. Well when its a 17 or 20 inch tire you should get a lot more miles, second you paid double, you should get at least double the miles.

When you pay double for a tire you have to get double the miles out of it. Personally I would rather have new tires at 40k that I paid half the price for than get double the miles on one set. That way I get all new tread depth and water disbursement and grip to the road. I also get rid of any damage like tire plugs or patches due to punctures ect.


There is always someone who will argue for some brand, Snap-on is the only tool to buy, Wix the only oil filter to buy, Mobil 1 the only oil to buy bla bla bla. Well I have used Fram filters my whole life of 50 years and never once had an oil related failure. I have until recently [because I can get synthetic at petrol oil prices] used Penz, or QS standard oil and again never had an oil related failure. Its always some brand that is the end all end all. Go to any forum on Bikes to cares and ask about oil and you will get an ear full of why your car or bike will blow up if you use anything but brand X. LMAO Really?

Your ears will hurt if you listen to music in your car out of anything but an Alpine and Bose speaker system. LOL really?

Its more of a little dick syndrome than any real advantage. For those who do not know Michelin has three brands of tires, Michelin, Goodrich and Uniroyal. For those who think you are getting the money put into the tires think again. A lot of that money you are spending it going on advertisement and promotions. Ever time you see and add in a magazine or tv some of that tire money you are spending is not going into the tire, its going to pay for promotional adverts.

Another thing for those who don't understand the guarantee its not for how many miles you will get. They can have a 100k Mile guarantee, all that means is that if a belt slips or you get a zipper failure or some other manufacture failure they will do a pro-rated replacement. If you drive hard and burn out every take off you will not get many miles on those Michelin's and the company will not replace them because of tread wear. You may only get 15k out of them if you think your the local stock car racer, they will not replace them due to wear.

Here is a consumers reports on tires. Goodyear is better rated over all then the Michelin and for 30% less
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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I don't know about this company but I do know that a report came out that showed American workers were treated much worse than workers in Europe.
Well that undocumented highly general commentary sure convinced me of.....well nothing.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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Why, yes, they may be required to work full 8 hour shifts and the Frenchies sit around and play games 3 hours each day, and then work 3 hours. Of course, when the union pays off the socialist government the workers don't have to work so many hours. Surely ethics have no place among French laborers.
Now, now....the unions in France fairly negotiate. They just park thier trucks or tractors on all the major roads and cripple the country economically until their hostage demands....err fairly sought benefits are met.

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In 1995, the last time a government tried to reform public sector pensions, unions shut down the country for three weeks and forced the authorities to abandon the measure.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/wo...ance.html?_r=0


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In December, the railway workers were called on strike against the Juppé Plan by their unions nationwide, and paralyzed France's railway system. The main grievances for the railway workers were the loss of the right to retire at age 55
1995 strikes in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now THAT is having the upper hand in negotiations when you are so entrenched with the govt. that they won't or can't make you negotiate in good faith and you are able to just cut off critical services.
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