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Despite Murray's protestations, the decline of the coal industry is being driven by the free market. U.S. natural gas production rose 16 percent from November 2008 to November 2012, creating a cheap supply that has made gas-generated electricity more competitive than that from coal.
Can't wait for the arguments from the power industry that the conversion is to expensive and that President ________'s EPA regulations forcing power companies to convert to loop processing will hurt the economy and isn't the function of government in the first place.
I wouldn't fret about that. As much as he's committed to green and clean energy sources, I'm sure he'll give companies our tax dollars as start-up incentives much like Solyndra and others. I mean...hasn't he already made noise about mo' stimulus...mo' stimulus! "loop processing" will no longer be an issue if this technology is brought to the marketplace. It does seem reasonable though ovcatto, politics aside, that if such only takes time, that he should ease up his heavy-handed, EPA mandated regulatory bullying of that entire industry.
It sounds like Obama's policies are right on target (although in fairness they are not just Obama's policies but the long term policies of several administrations): encouraging research and development for clean coal. Had we just done what the conservatives want, the power plants would simply spew more crap into the air. This same story has been repeated over and over. Look at today's autos getting 30 mpg from a gallon of gas in a 200 hp engine! From autos to coal to solar and wind, environmental regulation has forced innovation that would not have occurred otherwise and we are all better off for it.
Incorrect mister Respected Contributor. What conservatives have been imo generally against is the policy of THIS administration for shoving NOT YET READY FOR PRIMETIME new energy technologies down our throats. The all-electric auto is a good example. People do not want the nuisance of seeking out not very available charging stations every 100 miles or so or investing in huge battery banks that are VERY costly to replace.
You really ought to reconsider this position...
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environmental regulation has forced innovation that would not have occurred otherwise
..., because YOU cannot say that it would not have occurred except for heavy-handed federal government intervention via policy abuse. You have a fascistic view of a perversion of government-controlled capitalism, as opposed to free-market capitalism, if you feel that only good comes when it is inspired by the heavy-hand of the federal breaucracy. All of the innovation of the industrial revolution belies the falsity of that notion. Creative minds free of government restriction/s, a broad-based entrepreneurial spirit and risk assumption/investment has brought us into the modern era. The heavy-hand of government is only a relatively new impetus enabled by the progressive socialists among us and is usually a detrimental effect on real progress. Reasonable people, I would suggest, believe that LIMITED regulation, properly enforced, is that way to go..
While you mull that over you may want to think about how Obozo's new CAFE standards will effect our American auto industry and jobs we so desperately need. They are HIS and his alone and NOT left over from a prior admiistrations. I say that for the record so Bush can't be faulted for the consequences by you guys again. A 'reasonable' perspective can be found here> Obama's new fuel standards to add $2,000 to car prices | The Daily Caller Under Obozo's new new standards, the national fleet mpg rule for cars will be around 42 miles a gallon in 2016. That's only 3 years away now. Do you really think that 'reasonable'? Or does it become a draconian requirement?
This could put a crimp in Obozo's plan for America. A new discovery that advances, in a positive manner, the "trickle-down" benefits of our capitalist system. The Oval Office does not now have a happy camper in the driver's seat! If this process were patented, rights to use the process could be sold to other countries and I can see our debt-load starting to dwindle. A source that, in and of itself, also nullifies a new energy source in America from criticism by the "global warming" and "carbon" lobby critics and enviro-wacko contingent. And as a side bonus it will make Bad AlGorithms' phony trading in "carbon credits", which only works by placing a value on pollution to encourage trading in units of it, an unwise investment. Let's call this the "Anti-Rahm" strategy. The taking advantage of using a crisis to develop a POSITIVE solution. Works for me as a right-wing agenda!
I'm definitely likin' the potential for this new discovery. Good to see FoxNews, our only major "Fair and Balanced" news source, out front on this.
Ummm...why do you have a question mark at the end of that sentence??? Ohhh, because it's a question not a statement of fact.
Sounds extremely expensive and not very efficient, which prob means it is not feasible from an economic standpoint.
Do you have an expert authority for that observation OR is it just your opinion? That was also a complaint at the time that Edison developed the incandescent light bulb. People said that it was totally impractical and too expensive to bring to the marketplace. A good dozen and more preceded him in unsuccessful attempts. What Edison did, and without ANY govenment intervention or regulatory pressure (imagine that?), was that he was able to develop a higher vacuum than others were able to, in order to achieve a high resistance that made power distribution from a centralized source economically feasible. Like the fella said...'You could look it up.'
This could put a crimp in Obozo's plan for America. A new discovery that advances, in a positive manner, the "trickle-down" benefits of our capitalist system. The Oval Office does not now have a happy camper in the driver's seat! If this process were patented, rights to use the process could be sold to other countries and I can see our debt-load starting to dwindle. A source that, in and of itself, also nullifies a new energy source in America from criticism by the "global warming" and "carbon" lobby critics and enviro-wacko contingent. And as a side bonus it will make Bad AlGorithms' phony trading in "carbon credits", which only works by placing a value on pollution to encourage trading in units of it, an unwise investment. Let's call this the "Anti-Rahm" strategy. The taking advantage of using a crisis to develop a POSITIVE solution. Works for me as a right-wing agenda!
I'm definitely likin' the potential for this new discovery. Good to see FoxNews, our only major "Fair and Balanced" news source, out front on this.
Do you read what you post too? This NEW technique came about because of GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON SCIENCE...imagine that.
"...$5 million in funding from the federal government, and took 15 years to achieve."
"Retrofitting them with the new process would be costly, but it would cut billions of tons of pollution."
So you are for costlier pollution standards too? Good to know.
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This could put a crimp in Obozo's plan for America. A new discovery that advances, in a positive manner, the "trickle-down" benefits of our capitalist system. The Oval Office does not now have a happy camper in the driver's seat! If this process were patented, rights to use the process could be sold to other countries and I can see our debt-load starting to dwindle. A source that, in and of itself, also nullifies a new energy source in America from criticism by the "global warming" and "carbon" lobby critics and enviro-wacko contingent. And as a side bonus it will make Bad AlGorithms' phony trading in "carbon credits", which only works by placing a value on pollution to encourage trading in units of it, an unwise investment. Let's call this the "Anti-Rahm" strategy. The taking advantage of using a crisis to develop a POSITIVE solution. Works for me as a right-wing agenda!
I'm definitely likin' the potential for this new discovery. Good to see FoxNews, our only major "Fair and Balanced" news source, out front on this.
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Wait, I thought people like you were against spending federal money to develope cleaner burning fuel because it would cost tomuch money for the coal companies?
Did I ever give you that idea by saying that? Nope. Governments of BOTH major party administrations have given tax write-offs and special legislated other incentives for MANY years to enable new technologies OR enable industries to adapt to such.
I can really only speak for myself, but I think it's a popular conservative position that first, last and always we are against our government SPENDING MONEY IT DOESN'T HAVE. That's called "deficit spending", a contrived term of political origins intended to confuse the lowly, unwashed masses AND is precisely what the federal government keeps on doing and similar to the sheer idiocy of "off-budget expenditures", another real laugher of demonRATIc origin that Repubs used also[1]. Nothing to do with it costing too much money for coal companies. Obozo's policies for the coal industires, if you had read the source material I posted in reply to mister 11thHour> Obama Says He Will ShutDownCoalIndustry / Global Currency Crisis 110809..., you'd have seen it would cut off their ability to stay in business. So how could they muster up any $$$s to adapt to NEW technology without some relief from their oppressor of first resort, the federal government? Obozo says that we don't have a spending problem. Imagine that! A clown who won't even commit to reducing spending enough in one year to pay the INTEREST ONLY on the national debt he helped pile so high. In fact, Bush's second term was the reason for the wider split in the Republican Party. His domestic policies, except for those of Obozo's, I predict, will go down as some of the worst on modern record.
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Any good for those who are developing this, it fits right into Obama's much hated left-wing agenda and glad to see you support him for once OP.
Hardly! Apparently you don't recognize sarcasm[2] when you read it.
At issue is coal's content of uranium and thorium, both radioactive elements. They occur in such trace amounts in natural, or "whole," coal that they aren't a problem. But when coal is burned into fly ash, uranium and thorium are concentrated at up to 10 times their original levels.
...estimated radiation doses ingested by people living near the coal plants were equal to or higher than doses for people living around the nuclear facilities. At one extreme, the scientists estimated fly ash radiation in individuals' bones at around 18 millirems (thousandths of a rem, a unit for measuring doses of ionizing radiation) a year. Doses for the two nuclear plants, by contrast, ranged from between three and six millirems for the same period. And when all food was grown in the area, radiation doses were 50 to 200 percent higher around the coal plants.
...have you REALLY been paying ANY attention? The OP has nothing to do with trying to justify raw coal, neither anthracite nor bituminous, as a burning fuel for energy AT ALL. I'll end it there and simply suggest you read the OP.
It sounds like Obama's policies are right on target (although in fairness they are not just Obama's policies but the long term policies of several administrations): encouraging research and development for clean coal. Had we just done what the conservatives want, the power plants would simply spew more crap into the air. This same story has been repeated over and over. Look at today's autos getting 30 mpg from a gallon of gas in a 200 hp engine! From autos to coal to solar and wind, environmental regulation has forced innovation that would not have occurred otherwise and we are all better off for it.
Shhhhhhhush, the RWNJs won't like this or you!!!!
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. Good to see FoxNews, our only major "Fair and Balanced" news source, out front on this.
of demonRATIc origin that Repubs used also[1]. Nothing to do with it costing too much money for coal companies. Obozo's policies for the coal industires, if you had read the source material I posted in reply to mister 11thHour> 
[2] when you read it
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Excuse me mister chuckmann but...
