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If the actions of the Catholic Church caused the death or physical damage of just one person in its history, then the Church went against the teachings of Christ. Simple as that. And as the Catholic Church has done this, playing a numbers game about just how many is really besides the point.
It's not beside the point at all.
I don't give two ****s about the teachings of Christ.
Jim Rom made a statement that the Catholic Church was responsible for more deaths than lives saved.
Do you see the bolded word there? The word "more"? That word makes it a numbers game.
Jim Rom made the statement that the Catholic Church was responsible for more deaths than lives saved. We can look at that statement mathematically.
Deaths > Lives Saved
I asked him to support that position.
He provided a link stating that 2 - 6 million people were killed in the Crusades.
The equation now looks like
2 to 6 million deaths in the Crusades + other deaths > Lives Saved.
He has not completed the equation.
It's like if I said it was hotter today than yesterday. Today was 50 degrees. An important part of the information is missing.
By asking for citation on the equation, you have effectively made the argument that the Catholic Church has saved more lives than they have taken. Therefore, it is now up to you to provide numbers in order to back up your claim. I've provided the part of the equation that shows how many people have been killed by the Catholic Church, and I've yet to find a reference anywhere to the number of people whose lives have been saved by the Catholic Church. If you would like to continue the discussion, I'm going to leave it up to you to find the numbers for that side of the equation, since you seem to disagree with my statement.
By asking for citation on the equation, you have effectively made the argument that the Catholic Church has saved more lives than they have taken. Therefore, it is now up to you to provide numbers in order to back up your claim.
What the **** are you talking about?
How have I done that?
I simply asked you to provide a citation. I've made no claim whatsoever.
This is ****ing pathetic.
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since you seem to disagree with my statement.
I don't disagree. I wonder if it is true. Since you made the claim, you are obliged to provide the support.
If you can't find the numbers regarding the number of people that the Church has saved, then there is no evidence to support you original claim. You, by definition, made the claim based on ignorance. How can you make the claim without knowing how many people the church is responsible for saving?
Analogy:
Me, making a claim: "I have more money than you"
You: "Citation requested"
Me: "I have $10. I don't know how much money you have. But I have more money than you. And it's now your responsibility to prove me wrong because you disagreed with my statement and effectively made the claim that you have more money than me"
Anyone with a brain: "What the **** is that idiot talking about"
To be honest, that's not funny. There are millions of Catholics out here who have great respect for this man and it's not funny. How would you feel is someone poked fun at someone you had respect for?
*cough* Every President of the United States, ever *cough*
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