Another casualty of Obamacare: Spousal coverage (Clinton, speech, politicians, county)

[HollandUSA]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

But, but, but it has to be all Obama's fault.

Don't you know, healthcare was dirt cheap and top notch before he was elected.

That is what the right ignores. HC has been an issue since at least the 90s. I do not expect anyone to address it. They are blinded by Obama hate.

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by MotleyCrew

This bill was not a result of the republicans...they were shut out...remember, try really hard...you can do it. The dems were testing the polls and came up with this crap of a bill and it is a win win for the insurance companies. But just think for one moment if single payer did go into effect and all those insurance companies went belly up how many people would be added to the unemployment rolls. So baby steps.

Most countries have single payer systems that work side by side with private insurers for things not covered by the system.

It's very similar to Medicare whereby seniors still find it necessary to maintain supplimental Medicare insurance from private insurers.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

But, but, but it has to be all Obama's fault.

Don't you know, healthcare was dirt cheap and top notch before he was elected.

Well if you bothered to read about those early HMO's then you would have read all about how preventative care would lower costs over the long run.

Did that work ?

Deflection about Obamacare won't change what is going to happen.

People who were happy with what they had didn't get to keep it, did they ?
Yet another broken promise.

[HollandUSA]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

Well if you bothered to read about those early HMO's then you would have read all about how preventative care would lower costs over the long run.

Did that work ?

Deflection about Obamacare won't change what is going to happen.

People who were happy with what they had didn't get to keep it, did they ?
Yet another broken promise.

And to the rest of the people what?

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by HollandUSA

And to the rest of the people what?

They will get their subsidized health insurance.

Obamacare was about getting insurance for those that could not afford it or get it.
Those that had it and were happy would be uneffected..remember ?

August 2009 at Townhalls all across America this is what Obama said:
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by MotleyCrew

This bill was not a result of the republicans...they were shut out...remember, try really hard...you can do it. The dems were testing the polls and came up with this crap of a bill and it is a win win for the insurance companies. But just think for one moment if single payer did go into effect and all those insurance companies went belly up how many people would be added to the unemployment rolls. So baby steps.

One of the provisions of Obamacare was that there would be an independent and objective panel who would make comparitive-effectiveness recommendations. This seemed reasonable given so many Mds and hospitals consult for big pharm and equipment manufacturers and are paid royalites, stock options, consulting fees and so on.

If pill/procedure A and B are equally effective in treating the illness, there is no reason to prescribe the more costly product or procedure. Congress went nuts and called them "death panels" and that was the end of that. Far better to allow the Md to use his own judgment and favor the interests of his benefactors. What's the big deal? Insurers and government pay for it.

[Wardendresden]

And it's not Obamacare that will do it. It's our "for profit system.

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7 massive problems with our health care system
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A $21,000 bill for heartburn? Health care is bankrupting the country, and there's little we can do about it. Here's what caused this crisis.


7 massive problems with our health care system- MSN Money

[Taratova]

14 million more on the medicaid rolls next year ... that is Obamacare. And guess who pays for it... not Obama.. the tax payer. YOu will have less money in your paycheck as you are taxed to cover it... the money has to come from the taxpayer and that is anyone who lives, buys , works or is a consumer.

[HappyTexan]

That $21K bill for heartburn will still be $21K. Obamacare did nothing about costs.

[TrapperJohn]

Car insurance companies would be broke if poor people didn't have to sign up for coverage until after the crash and when they finally did the premiums were based on the value of their Huffy 10-speed as opposed to the Cadillac they just wrecked.

Since liberals are so edumacated you know this.