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Old 02-23-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Concealed carry is a state issue.. Not a federal issue.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:00 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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The issue is the principle of civil disobedience which requires one to ignore an unjust law to enact change.

Since you believe in blind adherence to all laws, good or bad, which one of these former misguided laws would you have supported? Fugitive Slave Act? Jim Crow laws? Eighteenth Amendment?
And I said that where? Nice try (not really), no cigar (not even bubble gum).

There's a huge difference between civil disobedience and committing felonies or even most misdemeanors. But perhaps you weren't around, or cognizant, in the 50s and 60s like I was.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And I said that where? Nice try (not really), no cigar (not even bubble gum).

There's a huge difference between civil disobedience and committing felonies or even most misdemeanors. But perhaps you weren't around, or cognizant, in the 50s and 60s like I was.
Civil disobedience by definition involves the commission of felonies and misdemeanors.

There is no distinction - it is breaking a law to highlight the unjustness of such a law.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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An interesting decision. What say you?

The Second Amendment's guarantee of a right to bear arms does not extend to the right to carry a concealed weapon in public, a federal appeals court in Denver has ruled.

Federal court: No Second Amendment guarantee for concealed carry - The Denver Post

great, then since a federal court says that ccw is not guaranteed, then open carry with a loaded pistol must be guaranteed.

everyone start carrying openly. I already do.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I think the right to conceal carry or open carry or whatever is to be decided on state by state basis.

The right to own guns, any guns, on your own property is a right that neither the states or the federal government can take away.
I agree. Each State needs to make their own laws concerning open carry and concealed carry. In Alaska, for example, anyone can open carry or concealed carry without a permit. Other States may require a permit and/or training before issuing a concealed carry permit.

The Second Amendment does not specify how a firearm may be carried, only that carrying a firearm is an individual right that cannot be infringed.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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I agree. Each State needs to make their own laws concerning open carry and concealed carry. In Alaska, for example, anyone can open carry or concealed carry without a permit. Other States may require a permit and/or training before issuing a concealed carry permit.

The Second Amendment does not specify how a firearm may be carried, only that carrying a firearm is an individual right that cannot be infringed.


great, since the 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed upon, lets get rid of all 25000 unconstitutional gun laws at both the state and federal levels.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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great, since the 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed upon, lets get rid of all 25000 unconstitutional gun laws at both the state and federal levels.
We already did that in Alaska. Additionally, any firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Alaska, with the intent to be used only in Alaska, are exempt from all federal law.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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We already did that in Alaska. Additionally, any firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Alaska, with the intent to be used only in Alaska, are exempt from all federal law.


but of course, the commerce clause.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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An interesting decision. What say you?

The Second Amendment's guarantee of a right to bear arms does not extend to the right to carry a concealed weapon in public, a federal appeals court in Denver has ruled.

Federal court: No Second Amendment guarantee for concealed carry - The Denver Post
I thought all this was reasonably clear. The gun guys won the battle but lost the war at the USSC.

The government cannot ban the carriage of arms...but they can regulate it. That is particularly telling as it says "make no law" is not operative.

And the funny thing is almost everyone agrees. Ask the NRA whether a law preventing the bearing of arms by the mentally ill is reasonable. So even the NRA agrees that the government can regulate that which the Constitution says it cannot.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:18 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I thought all this was reasonably clear. The gun guys won the battle but lost the war at the USSC.

The government cannot ban the carriage of arms...but they can regulate it. That is particularly telling as it says "make no law" is not operative.

And the funny thing is almost everyone agrees. Ask the NRA whether a law preventing the bearing of arms by the mentally ill is reasonable. So even the NRA agrees that the government can regulate that which the Constitution says it cannot.

I agree that the NRA is wrong. the Constitution is very clear. even if the people say that regulated means having laws against it, then it only effects the militia and not the people, as their right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
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