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Old 02-26-2013, 10:50 AM
 
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Okay, that is a flat out lie, Bush never said war protesters were anti-American.

I challenge you do present proof that Bush ever refereed to war protesters as anti-American, because that's a dog that will not hunt.

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Old 02-26-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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Oh really?

The below is what you asserted as "just common sense." Unfortunately, they are largely untrue and unfounded in facts and many are simpleton myths or idle opinion.

(idle opinion
The problem is the extremists just use the strawman too often to be taken seriously.

"Government should spend within their means"- well yes and no. Is there wasteful spending - Of course- does it need to be curtailed- I would think any logical person would not want to waste any resource.
But there are times, such as WWII where the Government may need to borrow to spend. As long as the debt is manageable and is not infrgining on progress leveraging is not a bad thing. Every solid business is leveraged to some degree. It is keeping it reasonable and in the case of Government keeping so taxes do not overburden the economy. - Its why its called a BALANCE sheet.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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Obama is very pro-corporate elitist, to call him a socialist is jumping the shark.
Correct-The political system we are closest to is Facism. It Does not matter who is President at this point.
Special interests, corporate and union money rule with a complicit Government.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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Correct-The political system we are closest to is Facism. It Does not matter who is President at this point.
Special interests, corporate and union money rule with a complicit Government.
Calling our nation fascist is jumping the shark.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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The problem is the extremists just use the strawman too often to be taken seriously.

"Government should spend within their means"- well yes and no. Is there wasteful spending - Of course- does it need to be curtailed- I would think any logical person would not want to waste any resource.
But there are times, such as WWII where the Government may need to borrow to spend. As long as the debt is manageable and is not infrgining on progress leveraging is not a bad thing. Every solid business is leveraged to some degree. It is keeping it reasonable and in the case of Government keeping so taxes do not overburden the eocnomy. - Its why its called a BALANCE sheet.
I don't think in the case of emergency (ww2) government borrowing money is an issue. The problem is every year we keep borrowing more and more money. I wish I could run my household finances like the government runs its. It would be like making 50k a year and spending 70k a year as normal course of business.
http://www.heritage.org/federalbudge...old-budget.pdf
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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It doesn't have to be on video for it to have happened, and I didn't see him claiming every teacher is doing that. Your argument is dumb.
I was responding to this:

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BigJon3475;28428163]Yeah, because it's not like there's videos on the net of teachers having their kids praise Obama or anything like that...
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That's great, but the public school system has over 3 million teachers.

Let's say you can find five such videos, that's 0.000167% of teachers. What about the other 99.999833% of teachers?

What is it with RWNJs trying to extrapolate every news story they see into a universal motif?
All of this began with the assertion that liberals control the youth through education, e.g. widespread systemic liberal indoctrination in schools.

Try to follow along.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Calling our nation fascist is jumping the shark.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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I've spent a lot of time in lower and higher education and I've never heard partisan talk from any teacher or professor. Not once. Ever. Not even in government glass in high school.
Well then it must have never happened because you've never seen it.

And here's your straw man to back up your argument:

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We always focused on things like, you know, chemistry, calculus, grammar, anatomy, physiology, etc
And then out the other side of your mouth:

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That's great, but the public school system has over 3 million teachers.

Let's say you can find five such videos, that's 0.000167% of teachers. What about the other 99.999833% of teachers?

What is it with RWNJs trying to extrapolate every news story they see into a universal motif?
So, Einstein, what percentage are you as one single student in a country full of them.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

What is it with morally and intellectual bankrupt left-wing-do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do Borg-like-one-size-fits-all political hacks?

*snickers*

Teaching Straw Man Burning 101
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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This is you:

Well then it must have never happened because you've never seen it.

And here's your straw man to back up your argument:



And then out the other side of your mouth:



So, Einstein, what percentage are you as one single student in a country full of them.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

What is it with morally and intellectual bankrupt left-wing-do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do Borg-like-one-size-fits-all political hacks?

*snickers*

Teaching Straw Man Burning 101
Apparently you're unaware that the person making the assertion is the one who is supposed to provide evidence. I'm still waiting. So far we have a few youtube videos of crazy teachers.

You also clearly have no idea what a straw man argument actually is.

A straw man is when you misrepresent your opponent's view, and then argue against that misrepresentation.

"We always focused on things like, you know, chemistry, calculus, grammar, anatomy, physiology, etc"

Whose views was I misrepresenting there? That is not a straw man by any stretch of the imagination.

Here's some reading to help you figure out what a straw man argument is:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

What is it with self-aggrandizing, pompous, pseudo-intellectual tools who accuse anyone who disagrees with them about anything at all of being a liberal?

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Old 02-26-2013, 11:17 AM
 
Location: 1060 W. Addison, Section 209, Chicago IL 60613
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Calling our nation fascist is jumping the shark.
I've been to countries ruled by tryants, the US is nothing like them. Americans have become soft that they think everything is fascist.
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