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I've been here for years and I'm just starting get a vague sense that right wing ideology is on the decline. Right wing posters aren't as unified anymore. Maybe some are learning they've been taken for a ride? They seem less numerous, and more elderly every year. The real dead enders, (birthers, Obama conspiracists, crusty old farts accusing liberals of being "communists") are on the borderline of being considered outcasts by what's left of mainstream conservatives. This just goes beyond the last election. I think time has finally caught up with this backwards ideology.
The RW ideology took a hard right turn in the last decade. They catered to an aging and, frankly, out of touch base. I don't know if they've jumped the shark yet, but they're nearing it.
I've been here for years and I'm just starting get a vague sense that right wing ideology is on the decline. Right wing posters aren't as unified anymore. Maybe some are learning they've been taken for a ride? They seem less numerous, and more elderly every year. The real dead enders, (birthers, Obama conspiracists, crusty old farts accusing liberals of being "communists") are on the borderline of being considered outcasts by what's left of mainstream conservatives. This just goes beyond the last election. I think time has finally caught up with this backwards ideology.
Nah paddy, it's just that you are so good at debate that when we see that you've entered the discourse, we flee.
So I guess the road to Utopia will be strewn with IOUs and bodies of dead Republicans ?
I keep hearing that Republicans are all old White guys so they should die off soon.
I've been here for years and I'm just starting get a vague sense that right wing ideology is on the decline. Right wing posters aren't as unified anymore. Maybe some are learning they've been taken for a ride? They seem less numerous, and more elderly every year. The real dead enders, (birthers, Obama conspiracists, crusty old farts accusing liberals of being "communists") are on the borderline of being considered outcasts by what's left of mainstream conservatives. This just goes beyond the last election. I think time has finally caught up with this backwards ideology.
I would agree with this. . i've seen it.
I have voted Republican or Democrat depending on candiate/need. Technically I wish I could vote republican more often (I'm free-market in a lot of economic policies) . . ..
Yet if I speak up on this board its against the crazies, which are often either name calling 3rd graders (our presidents name is XXX how funny) or conspiracy theorists.
I find the arguments often trolling, no more than name calling and vague crazy ideas. . .and claims that are just out there (i.e. Obama is a dictator. . .how long. . .overthrow goverment. . .etc
Maybe the same thing happened to Bush. . .crazies out of the word work, but Bush's incompetenence made the rantings more credible?
What I notice on CD is that the conservative views aren't just conservative, but remind me of the early 1960s John Birch Society viewpoints, leading me to conclude that the right-wing is now completely unhinged.
When we get threads where the OP questions whether we need a government at all, that is extremist talk. When one asserts that President Obama is a radical Marxist, instead of someone to the right of Eisenhower, we're dealing with crazies.
The John Birch Society is another strain of modern conservatism. It is really striking to do a little reading on these groups and the surprising manner in which they sound like the modern conservative party.
So much of conservative talking points find their origin in fringe groups.
The anti-immigrant stuff and building a fence those ideas used to be a cause only championed by the white supremacist movement, but now it is a mainstream republican position.
The idea that communists and now muslims and other radicals have infiltrated the government used to be the purview of the Birchers, now that is mainstream conservative ideology.
The idea that the media and hollywood are out to get conservatives used be described as paranoid thinking, and now it is the mainstream of conservative thinking.
This idea of states rights over-riding the federal government used to be a southern racist thing, now it is the default position of the conservative party.
conservatives are much more openly crazy then they have ever been.
I think the teavangelicals really have "jumped the shark" by over reaching to the point where the majority of people have stopped listening or paying attention. I've said it over and over, but it's the boy who cried wolf syndrome--you can work people into hysteria over nothing (like birth certificates, or communist/socialist/terrorist/Kenyan crap etc.) only so many times before no one believes you any more. That isn't true at all of common sense conservatism--my hope is that as the teavangelicals fall the R party gains some balance and goes back to being the party of small business.
A bit too early to say, but it is less strident than in the last couple years.
I think they know the dog won't hunt.
It would be good to see more moderate conservatives reemerge. Then we could have a decent conversation without all the silliness (Example: RWNJ#1-Obama is the antichrist!!!, RWNJ#2-No way, he is Adolf Hitler!!!).
Hard to have a conversation when you are called
1) a racist for disagreeing with Obama
2) A woman hater for wanting to preserve life
3) when left wing nut jobs blame bush and will not look for any solutions
4) Left wing nut jobs call us facist like hitler
I've been here for years and I'm just starting get a vague sense that right wing ideology is on the decline. Right wing posters aren't as unified anymore. Maybe some are learning they've been taken for a ride? They seem less numerous, and more elderly every year. The real dead enders, (birthers, Obama conspiracists, crusty old farts accusing liberals of being "communists") are on the borderline of being considered outcasts by what's left of mainstream conservatives. This just goes beyond the last election. I think time has finally caught up with this backwards ideology.
How many years? I ask, because perception is bound to be affected by real-world events. RWNJ-World got a big shock in 2008, a hugely validating charge out of the 2010 midterm, and then a crushing disappointment with the 2012 election. It would be natural to see this forum reflect that trajectory: a rally to defend the RWNJ citadel shortly after 08, jubilation in victory after 10, then the inevitable consequences of crushing defeat: disorder in the ranks, desertions, defections, doubt and despair.
As far as RWNJ ideology in RL, though: there are many, many signs that the GOP leaders and conservative thinktankery are slowly beginning to back away from their flirtation with populist knownothing-ism. GOP elites thought they were onto something good with Tea, but like another set of elite conservatives, von Papen and von Schleicher, they discovered it was more dangerous than they knew. Fortunately, unlike von Papen and von Schleicher, they haven't been pushed out and still command the party.
Expect to see a new brand of conservatism rolled out by 2016. My guess is that it will borrow from that David Cameron guidebook, "How to Make Conservatives Electable When They've Been Seen As Ogres For the Last Generation".
I've been here for years and I'm just starting get a vague sense that right wing ideology is on the decline. Right wing posters aren't as unified anymore. Maybe some are learning they've been taken for a ride? They seem less numerous, and more elderly every year. The real dead enders, (birthers, Obama conspiracists, crusty old farts accusing liberals of being "communists") are on the borderline of being considered outcasts by what's left of mainstream conservatives. This just goes beyond the last election. I think time has finally caught up with this backwards ideology.
Typical LibTurd Gibberish.
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