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Old 02-25-2013, 07:42 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Originally Posted by Old Army Soldier View Post
Disprove what was explained in the video.
This is like asking someone to prove or disprove aliens. You can't disprove any wacky fantasy.

But what I can tell you is that clipping masks are perfectly normal and are automatically produced on many scanning devices that optimize and crop the image. So there is nothing inherently fake about a document with clipping masks - this is how technology works.

I can also tell you that for a sane person, it takes a lot more than a video by an amateur with Adobe Illustrator to "prove" the birth certificate a forgery just because there were clipping masks in it.

And I can tell you that there is an entire army of reputable forgery and electronics experts out there in nations all over the world, and none of them are sounding the alarm about anything.

The only ones who are are five and a half fringies online. And the only people convinced by them are people like you.

 
Old 02-25-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That's about as much of "breaking news" as this:

 
Old 02-25-2013, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Birfers...LOL
 
Old 02-25-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ambient View Post
This is like asking someone to prove or disprove aliens. You can't disprove any wacky fantasy.

But what I can tell you is that clipping masks are perfectly normal and are automatically produced on many scanning devices that optimize and crop the image. So there is nothing inherently fake about a document with clipping masks - this is how technology works.

I can also tell you that for a sane person, it takes a lot more than a video by an amateur with Adobe Illustrator to "prove" the birth certificate a forgery just because there were clipping masks in it.

And I can tell you that there is an entire army of reputable forgery and electronics experts out there in nations all over the world, and none of them are sounding the alarm about anything.

The only ones who are are five and a half fringies online. And the only people convinced by them are people like you.
Throwing a wet blanket on "Birfer" fun?
 
Old 02-25-2013, 08:00 PM
 
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I do find it interesting that the obamabots don't dare to actually address it...instead choosing to insult.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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Default Because you don't argue with stupid.

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I do find it interesting that the obamabots don't dare to actually address it...instead choosing to insult.
What is there to address that hasn't already been beaten to death?

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Old 02-25-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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I do find it interesting that the obamabots don't dare to actually address it...instead choosing to insult.
Of course. They have no choice but to.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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I do find it interesting that the obamabots don't dare to actually address it...instead choosing to insult.
Not insult - ridicule. Subtle difference.
 
Old 02-25-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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I do find it interesting that the obamabots don't dare to actually address it...instead choosing to insult.
in this case it's a matter of a light pencil mark being visible from a flatbed scanner but not a hand held camera. no big mystery there.

as for the "layers", this was debunked from nearly day one:

PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate - By Nathan Goulding - The Corner - National Review Online

anything else you'd like addressed?
 
Old 02-25-2013, 08:21 PM
 
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in this case it's a matter of a light pencil mark being visible from a flatbed scanner but not a hand held camera. no big mystery there.

as for the "layers", this was debunked from nearly day one:

PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate - By Nathan Goulding - The Corner - National Review Online

anything else you'd like addressed?
Thank you. That was what I was after. I agree with that writer---it's hard to imagine someone good enough to create a fake that would screw up by saving an image with layers.
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