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Old 02-26-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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I wonder how many voted last election? This is why we need voter ID laws & proof of citizenship to vote.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:33 AM
 
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Gee, 2005, wasn't Bush president?
You had to go back 8 years for an article.
Slow news day?
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:35 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I wonder how many voted last election? This is why we need voter ID laws & proof of citizenship to vote.
Why arent you asking how many voted in 2000 or 2004 since this article is from August of 2008 ?
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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This is the source document: GAO-05-478, Elections: Additional Data Could Help State and Local Elections Officials Maintain Accurate Voter Registration Lists

It appears some citizens claim non-citizenship just to get out of jury duty. It's not surprising considering the high number of people who make excuses to get out of jury duty.

"All of the jury administrators[Footnote 45] for the U.S. district
courts told us they use voter registration lists to draw names for the
jury pool. Ten of the 14 district court administrators said they use
only voter registration lists, while the other 4 use voter lists in
conjunction with other sources.[Footnote 46]

According to officials of the AOUSC, it would be under penalty of
perjury to deliberately make false statements about citizenship on the
questionnaire, although the extent to which the matter is pursued is up
to each U.S. district court. Generally, districts we surveyed did not
verify claims of non-citizenship; however, two districts verified
prospective juror claims of non-citizenship.


* a federal jury administrator in one U.S. district court estimated
that 1 to 3 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 30,000 over 2
years (about 300 to 900 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;

* a federal jury administrator in a second U.S. district court
estimated that less than 1 percent of the people out of a jury pool of
35,000 names each month (less than 350 people) said they were not U.S.
citizens;

* a federal jury administrator in a third U.S. district court estimated
that about 150 people out of a jury pool of 95,000 names over 2 years
said they were not U.S. citizens;
and:

* a federal jury administrator in a fourth U.S. district court
estimated that annually about 5 people typically claimed non-
citizenship in a jury pool of about 50,000 individuals.

In one jurisdiction, election officials receiving jury service
information commented that they must follow up on each referral, and
sometimes people may have wrongly claimed non-citizenship in order to
be excused from jury duty. Election officials will generally mail a
notification to the registrant asking them to verify the information to
remain on the voter registration list. Those who do not reply are
removed. Non-response on the part of a registrant does not necessarily
mean that they are not citizens.
"

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Old 02-26-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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Gee, 2005, wasn't Bush president?
You had to go back 8 years for an article.
Slow news day?
Obama is President now.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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Gee, 2005, wasn't Bush president?
You had to go back 8 years for an article.
Slow news day?
Take your grumpy self to another thread, then.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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Why arent you asking how many voted in 2000 or 2004 since this article is from August of 2008 ?
We are concerned with the present.

Since our borders are not secure & Obama won most of the hispanic vote, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:06 AM
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We are concerned with the present.

Since our borders are not secure & Obama won most of the hispanic vote, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
You can not make that argument by quoting an article from 5 years ago, that quotes data collected from 8 years ago , that quotes data from 9 years ago.

and Our borders are no less secure than they were when this article was written. Face it, this thread was a FAIL.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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We are concerned with the present.

Since our borders are not secure & Obama won most of the hispanic vote, there are a lot of unanswered questions.
So you have a problem with voter fraud when Obama wins the Presidency but not when Bush won it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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How exactly did you make the jump from being called on for jury duty even though you are ineligible and illegally voting in elections? Oh, I know, you must have used prejudice and stereotype, right? Or perhaps it's just Hans A. von Spakovsky who did?

I am not a US citizen but once received a letter indicating that I was called on for jury duty.

On the form, it provided space to explain why you thought you should be excused (if applicable). I simply stated "not a US citizen" and returned it. Apparently, my state (California back then) simply used the DMV's drivers license records to draw potential jurors from. I never heard from them again.

And no, just because you are an immigrant does not mean that you go and vote. You know, we're not all criminals. Surprisingly, some of us actually do know about right and wrong. Heck, we are even familiar with laws. Just imagine!

I know, it is shocking and rocks the world of many a C-D poster who loves to paint with a broad brush and who is afraid of anything and anyone foreign. Can I get a big shout-out to Xenophobia? Yeah!

Sorry to disappoint you further: I neither jumped some fence, nor rode into town in the back of a truck. I never had the need for ANY assistance (far from it), I don't pick strawberries in a field, and the only run-in with law enforcement I've ever had was a speeding ticket 15 years ago. Heck, my skin isn't even brown!

If ineligible people are called to jury duty, this is obviously NOT an indication that they are going to vote. All it tells us is that the system to select potential jurors is somewhat flawed and needs improvement. Thus, some states allow applicants for drivers licenses to check a box "register to vote." Unfortunately, these states seem to lack any mechanisms to root out those who are, by default, ineligible to vote. That's a systemic error that can easily be remedied. If states don't employ the necessary cross-checks, it's really their problem. That Florida is inept should not really surprise anyone.

And another No: I am not registered to vote. Never have been and won't be until (and if) I decide to obtain US citizenship.
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