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Not in my school. We had an unruly student get out of hand in our school and our shop teacher kicked the living crap out of the kid. The father showed up to the school, thanked the shop teacher and then took the kid home where he beat the living crap out of him. That kid, was quiet and respectful in school after that.
Not sure when this happened but at most schools the teacher very well could be fired today. God forbid the teacher was White and student Black than racism charges would fly.
The dad could also be hauled off to jail if the kid reports him of someone witnessed the beating.
What happened to the students who did that to the teachers? I would say students who do that to teachers should be expelled and have criminal charges pressed on them.
I did substitute teaching in the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD). The high schools here are all huge - thousands of students. At one such high school in a very dicey part of town, I had an elderly woman teacher tell me about a student she was afraid of. She made him put his ipod away or something and he waited in the hall and threw something at her. Later that day, when I told a female student to stop eating in class for the second time, she started to raise up out of her chair and was pulling her arm back to punch me. I saw it coming and thought "well s**t" - luckily, another student stopped her. But that was the end of my career with the LAUSD.
Here's the problem - it's not just that the kids are out of control, the schools simply have so many students that you end up just trying to prevent chaos. Classrooms are overcrowded to. And these kids don't scare easy. Their lives are hard already - parents/relatives in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc... They don't have much hope so kicking them out of school or even sending them to jail just makes them worse. Even middle school kids are a problem.
I started teaching as a mid-life career change because I wanted to make a difference. But with no support from the school district, parents that didn't care, and students that had already given up - what was I going to do? And things got worse in the district after that due to budget cuts - I have friends who've been teachers for years. Very dedicated, passionate people who found themselves in a building so overcrowded they didn't even have a regular classroom, and with students who were in rival gangs in the same classes. They moved on as well.
Of course academics place the blame on teachers being racist, that's why they leave. Problem is that Black teachers leave too.
EdwardA, please remember that you are Black too. Just because you're not descended from "American Blacks" doesn't mean those teachers won't look at YOU any different.
You say that the teachers should leave if Black students come in. Guess what? You are Black. Are you, as a Black person, willing to face that kind of sacrifice yourself? When I mean sacrifice, I mean people leaving if you show up.
Just because life's tough doesn't mean children who truly want an education should suffer. A kid can't help if he was born in a bad neighborhood. A kid can't help if the parents can't do any better in terms of how much it costs to live there. However, a kid who truly wants an education should have it. An education is a way out of poverty.
EdwardA, please remember that you are Black too. Just because you're not descended from "American Blacks" doesn't mean those teachers won't look at YOU any different.
You say that the teachers should leave if Black students come in. Guess what? You are Black. Are you, as a Black person, willing to face that kind of sacrifice yourself? When I mean sacrifice, I mean people leaving if you show up.
Don't worry how they looked at me. I will tell you the teachers even the Black American teachers notice the difference. I remember a guidance counselor, a black woman riding me in high school for not doing my college apps in time. She was like you're not like the other African kids.
Also I didn't say they should leave. I merely pointed out that they do leave.
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