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Old 12-05-2013, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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False. Less protection and control than ever for patients as bureaucrats and govt. regulation will decide their access and treatment, not they and their doctor.


The dishonestly named ACA takes away control from doctor and patient. Again, the ACA is not about healthcare, it is about control. Look at the IRS. Look at the Democrats effort to restore military conscription. The Democrats want to abuse healthcare and the draft against political rivals just as they are abusing the IRS to attack political and ideological rivals.
You got that wrong. The PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES will decide access and treatment just like they always have. Doctors have needed approval for treatment from the insurance carriers for decades now. That's not going to change with the ACA.

In your other post you claim only two carriers. I'll bet you live in a red state that is totally opposed to the ACA and didn't sign on for it. Those that have like Kentucky, Ohio, California have many options and choices.

You keep spreading fear and paranoia that the ACA will impact healthcare. I will repeat this again slowly.
The ACA is not a government run healthcare plan. It is a private health insurance mandate that is designed to provide more access to health insurance to more people.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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Yes it was.
You forgot to mention that those policies are being replaced with policies that actually protect and cover the insured.
Finally an Obama backer who admits Obama lied when he said if you like your insurance you can keep it. ACA was designed to eliminate many individual and small group policies. It worked as Obama knew, but couldn't admit, it would.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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You got that wrong. The PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES will decide access and treatment just like they always have.
False. The regulations in the law take away that freedom. Its the law.


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Doctors have needed approval for treatment from the insurance carriers for decades now. That's not going to change with the ACA.
Less insurance choice as a result of the destructive ACA. Now there is a level of bureaucracy to jump through too.

The result is less health care freedom, less treatment options, more people dying that shouldn't. The dishonestly named ACA is flawed and destructive.

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In your other post you claim only two carriers. I'll bet you live in a red state that is totally opposed to the ACA and didn't sign on for it. Those that have like Kentucky, Ohio, California have many options and choices.
Washington State

Blue states have been killing private insurance choice for decades. We went from 100s of options in the 80's to 6 in the late 90's. Down to 2 in my county with the health care destroying ACA in place.



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You keep spreading fear and paranoia that the ACA will impact healthcare.

It already has. Millions have lost insurance. Millions more have lost access to health care centers and options they once had. It is also directly affecting the supply of quality health care professionals.

The ACA is a destructive, poorly thought out legislation. It is the worst abuse of govt. since prohibition.

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The ACA is not a government run healthcare plan. It is a private health insurance mandate that is designed to provide more access to health insurance to more people.
If that was the case, it has greatly failed. The ACA is designed to destroy private health care. Even the architect of the evil, health care destroying ACA admits this fact. It is meant to be step one in the complete fascist govt. take over of healthcare which in turn is also a political take over of our very own bodies and life.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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LIAR: President admits he DID live with his illegal alien uncle.. What a scumbag...
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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Default ANOTHER BALD FACE LIE! Barack Obama Lied About Knowing His Illegal Uncle

Another lie! BUSTED!

Not only did he know him, he stayed with his Uncle for a few weeks!

White House changes story on Obama's uncle
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
False. The regulations in the law take away that freedom. Its the law.




Less insurance choice as a result of the destructive ACA. Now there is a level of bureaucracy to jump through too.

The result is less health care freedom, less treatment options, more people dying that shouldn't. The dishonestly named ACA is flawed and destructive.



Washington State

Blue states have been killing private insurance choice for decades. We went from 100s of options in the 80's to 6 in the late 90's. Down to 2 in my county with the health care destroying ACA in place.






It already has. Millions have lost insurance. Millions more have lost access to health care centers and options they once had. It is also directly affecting the supply of quality health care professionals.

The ACA is a destructive, poorly thought out legislation. It is the worst abuse of govt. since prohibition.



If that was the case, it has greatly failed. The ACA is designed to destroy private health care. Even the architect of the evil, health care destroying ACA admits this fact. It is meant to be step one in the complete fascist govt. take over of healthcare which in turn is also a political take over of our very own bodies and life.
Well I'm not going to go round and round with you about the same points over and over, but if the government were to provide healthcare for everyone then wouldn't that be socialism or communism rather than fascism? At least that's what the hard line republicans have been claiming.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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Well I'm not going to go round and round with you about the same points over and over,

...because the facts on the street blow a massive hole in your propaganda efforts.

The ACA is horrible legislation that is doing the opposite of what you claim. Facts are stubborn, bro.



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but if the government were to provide healthcare for everyone then wouldn't that be socialism or communism rather than fascism?
Fascists, communists, and socialists are all ideological cousins. All three should be rejected for being ultra destructive vehicles for power and control.
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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LOL.....I wonder if they hung out at The Chicken Bone, where Uncle Einstein got his liquor on before getting popped for DUI.

Barack Obama’s uncle on drink driving arrest: 'I will call the White House’ - Telegraph
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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I was just coming here to post this! Un freakin believable. In 2011, the WH said Obama and his uncle had never met. Then the uncle testifies in his trial that Obama lived with him briefly in the 1980s.
So today the WH comes out and admits that it's true that Obama lived with him.

And the lies they are telling to cover up the original lie is just as bad. "Nobody ever asked the president. We had our team research the president's book to see if it seemed like they ever met." Really, really? You had people take time to research his books rather than ask the man who is right there in the same building with you?
And then with only that "research" made the unequivocal statement that they had never met? Yeah right.
Please Jay Carney, we weren't born yesterday. You are the head liar for a pathological liar.

I tried to rep your OP, but I have to spread some love first.
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Old 12-05-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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I was just coming here to post this! Un freakin believable. In 2011, the WH said Obama and his uncle had never met. Then the uncle testifies in his trial that Obama lived with him briefly in the 1980s.
So today the WH comes out and admits that it's true that Obama lived with him.

And the lies they are telling to cover up the original lie is just as bad. "Nobody ever asked the president. We had our team research the president's book to see if it seemed like they ever met." Really, really? You had people take time to research his books rather than ask the man who is right there in the same building with you? Please Jay Carney, we weren't born yesterday. You are the head liar for a pathological liar.

I tried to rep your OP, but I have to spread some love first.
now now, in fairness to jay carney, the only lies he tells right now are the lies the administration tells him to tell.
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