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This is too bad. I'd hate to be held legally responsible for other adults when I was just doing my job (serving drinks) since you can't always tell who is blotto and who isn't, or know who is driving and who isn't. To shoulder all the responsibility but have no options to protect yourself when the danger is obvious, like seeing an intoxicated person behind the wheel, makes no sense. I can't believe she got fired. As for the whole "she should have called a cab" thing, that won't work if someone doesn't want a cab and wants to drive will it?
Here's hoping the cops make a habit of parking outside or near this establishment from now on, knowing the attitude of the owner towards drunk drivers.
Uhh...In what universe? It's called "looking for drunk drivers", and they do it all the time, set up checkpoints, etc. Entrapment would be if the cops gave everyone alcohol then handed them the keys to their cars and THEN pulled them over.
No one wants people who are tattle tales. Most sane people distance themselves from your types and these owners fired the girl.
"tattle tales"? "my types"? WTH??? THis isn't a playground, it's peoples lives you are dealing with. And a very VERY illegal activity.You wouldn't tattle on someone you knew who was selling drugs to kids or who had just murdered their wife? Seriously, where do you begin to tattle? Explain yourself
She served him, she was wrong. Every bartender knows you do NOT serve intoxicated people. She did so, anyway. For that alone, she should have been fired. She does not deserve a medal.
She served him, she was wrong. Every bartender knows you do NOT serve intoxicated people. She did so, anyway. For that alone, she should have been fired. She does not deserve a medal.
Obviously that isn't why she got fired, her boss doesn't care about her serving intoxicated patrons so where does the blame stop and the logical thinking start? Once she saw him driving what choice did she have...whether she was wrong or not to serve him in the first place.
Obviously that isn't why she got fired, her boss doesn't care about her serving intoxicated patrons so where does the blame stop and the logical thinking start? Once she saw him driving what choice did she have...whether she was wrong or not to serve him in the first place.
She had choices and obligations before he started to drive.
1. Refuse to serve him.
2. Try to arrange alternate transportation
3. Call the cops.
She ignored 1 & 2 and skipped straight to 3. The story would be completely different if she refused to serve him and tried to get him a cab and he refused. At that point she would have no choice but to call the cops. That isn't what happened here.
1. She served an already intoxicated person. - Illegal
2. She didn't try to arrange alternate transportation or talk him out of driving.
3. She called the cops.
It's not that she was wrong, but her actions contributed to the situation. A reasonable prudent person would not have served him and would have tried to arrange alternate transportation, not escalate the situation.
She could have called a taxi if she really wanted to be sure this drunk was off the street. But no, this idiot called the cops so the patron would get arrested. I would fire this woman. She should have called a cab.
I wonder how she kept the guy there to wait for the cops. Or it was a sting, she serves him til he's good n drunk, drives home, and the cops are waiting for him.
As if we don't have enough to worry about with cameras, now we have snitches and spies everywhere setting us up.
Again, this is precrime tactics that I find disgusting.
btw I don't drink
For every DUI that gets caught, they have driven dozens of times and made it safely. They couldn't nab enough people watching for the signs, so they lowered the legal limit. It's a giant money trap.
Illegals get a pass.
I beg to differ. This isn't a bystander calling the cops. This is a bartender calling the cops on a patron who is drunk partly due to alcohol she served him.
She absolutely should have been fired.
And given her responsibility in the situation, she gets no anonymity.
That's a good point, she just killed the business.
all calling a cab is doing is shifting the responsiblity. If a cab driver comes to a bar is he culpable if he doesnt take the fare? Is he violating the law? what if the drunk refuses the cab? What if he doesnt have fare?
shifting the responsiblity from the drunk to the bartender to the cabbie is rediculous. The patron is too drunk to drive. Let him shoulder the responsiblity for his own actions.
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And she hers. Her actions were to call 911 and she was fired. Let her take responsibility for that.
^ agree with both of you
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It's called "looking for drunk drivers", and they do it all the time, set up checkpoints, etc. Entrapment would be if the cops gave everyone alcohol then handed them the keys to their cars and THEN pulled them over.
