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View Poll Results: Do you think our defense budget wouldn't have to be so high if we practiced good diplomacy?
Yes 33 64.71%
No 18 35.29%
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Good diplomacy is always favored by both sides when one knows it can be wiped off the map, and the other knows they can wipe them off them map.

You accept and enjoy peace, by preparing for war.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No-

see Neville Chamberlain

We should stop being the world policeman and ask local allies to bear most of the cost of military forces in those regions. A strong navy, of course, keeps our fingers on the pulse of international commerce and is essential.

You can't advocate for NOT being the world's policeman & have a say in how others accept our principles and our democracy. You can't want to stop being the police, yet patrol and enforce what you have investment in.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not only better diplomacy but making our allies more responsible for their own defense military and monetary wise. Take Germany for example why do we have 30,000 troops there? are the Germans non trainable or stupid? I do not think so. I can see having a presence of say 1,000 troops like we have been doing all over Africa.

I am sort of encouraged that the war mongering rhetoric mostly from the right is less prominent now.

We're in Germany for NATO purposes only. We should have a 50,000 troop presence there.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:02 PM
 
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Good diplomacy is always favored by both sides when one knows it can be wiped off the map, and the other knows they can wipe them off them map.

You accept and enjoy peace, by preparing for war.
It's one thing to be ready for battle, it's another thing pissing people off by battling.

The current war is not the traditional war we have fought before.



...Bad diplomacy started this.


We are not fighting dictators that are using the people, we are fighting the people themselves.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The current war is the last gasp of a failed from the start military blunder that was never thought out or planned for properly. From that instant, it was doomed to be a drawn out, bloody and costly endeavor.

In Afghanistan the diplomacy was simple. Turn over UBL, have the Taliban leave, and there will be peace. The mistake was trying to do it with toothpicks and string vs. bridges and lives.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:11 PM
 
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The current war is the last gasp of a failed from the start military blunder that was never thought out or planned for properly. From that instant, it was doomed to be a drawn out, bloody and costly endeavor.

In Afghanistan the diplomacy was simple. Turn over UBL, have the Taliban leave, and there will be peace. The mistake was trying to do it with toothpicks and string vs. bridges and lives.
Precisely.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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I wonder if the OP means Obama apologize and kiss their feet for the attack on us.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:48 AM
 
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I wonder if the OP means Obama apologize and kiss their feet for the attack on us.
Have you ever considered why we were attacked in the first place?

We went centuries without being bothered by the middle east!
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default Military blunder?

Our wars of the last few decades have not been a blunder. they have protected British Petroleum's investments in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Royal Family, democracy in Israel, nonexistant Afghani terrorists and above all, created a trillion dollars of profit for the Military contractors. . Just think all these efforts have created the ENDLESS WAR and ENDLESS PROFITS. the relativly SMALL loss of men and women in these endevors pales in comparisons to the great PROFITS WE HAVE MADE AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE.



Follow the money trail folks. Always follow the money.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:09 PM
 
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Not only did he not bring the troops back, he extended the Patriot Act, and never closed Guantanamo.
Obama ended the deployment in Iraq and set a date for Afghanistan. That being said, I agree that it fell short of his promises. It also proves that some of the criticism on Bush was unjustified.

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But what good is being a warmonger, if being a warmonger will never bring you peace?

It is OUR OWN meddling in the middle east that brought us the enemy we have today. Who know when these enemies will stop fighting us?
You are correct that being forced to use the military is already a lost battle. The deterrence did not work.

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