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Yes, while those with a full brain know it is assinine to think that any influence man and his activities has are significant when overlaid on the massive changes from nature.
I take it you are in the half-brain camp>
So you tell me, what are the natural causes of the present warming trend? Hint...It is not the sun, which has been on a cooling trend for the past 30 years...If not the sun then what is the cause?
We know that the same morons that want us to believe in global warming (or is it climate change this week) are the same morons that were wrong about:
Global Cooling
SARS
HIV
Three Mile Island Love Canal
Overpopulation
Swine Flu
Red Dye #3
Deforestation
Ozone depletion
Cancer causing cell phones
Desertification
Running out of drinking water
Kuwati oil fires
Killer bees from Mexico
Runnung out of room in landfills
Urban Sprawl
Food shortages
Acid Rain.
This is list is certainly does not include everything these morons have been wrong about. Just a small sample.
But somehow we're supossed to take their "studies" as legit?
But your list is meaningless. You have to list everything these people were right about and everything they were wrong about and compare the lists. You haven't done that and have failed to show anything useful here. Wait a second here... is this recursive irony? You're showing your inability to come to a meaningful conclusion just like the scientists?
In fact, it shows that the petroleum companies are paying scientists within their ranks to lie about the evidence ---all for profits !
And when the CRU was seeking funding from Shell who just happens to be very active in the renewable sector? When they accepted funds from numerous other industries and organizations active in the renewable energy field? There is example on both sides.
If you want to talk about some strange bed fellows the natural gas industry was giving millions to the Sierra Club for their war on coal. Wasn't very smart becsue now that the coal industry has been hobbled they are turning the tables on the natural gas industry.
Funny to see so many global warming threads on the politics forum. Try it over in the science forum and see what response you get. I suspect there will not be so much gratuitous back slapping.
But your list is meaningless. You have to list everything these people were right about and everything they were wrong about and compare the lists. You haven't done that and have failed to show anything useful here. Wait a second here... is this recursive irony? You're showing your inability to come to a meaningful conclusion just like the scientists?
I mentioned in an earlier post that they have never been right about an environemental prediction.
Can't list what does not exist.
You're showing your ability to jump to conclusions before commenting.
Nevertheless, the study that is the focus of the OP's thread in NO WAY supports his assertion that there is a "science consensus--global warming is bunk." In fact, it shows that the petroleum companies are paying scientists within their ranks to lie about the evidence ---all for profits ! And why would they need to do that? Because the evidence is over-whelming. There is a plethora of real evidence that man-made carbon dioxide increases have caused climate change. It is evidence. It's not a matter of belief. It's happening. And it's a major concern.
The evidence is overwhelming? lols.
And the scientists that say global warming exists get multi-million dollar government grants. No grants for them if they say climate change doesn't exist.
But they aint in it for profits? lols.
They learned this during the Acid Rain scare in the 80s. The Reagan Administration gave millions to scientists to study it. They concluded there was nothing to it. All the money stopped.
Funny, global warming became an issue a few months later. And was brought to our attention by the same scientists.
So you tell me, what are the natural causes of the present warming trend? Hint...It is not the sun, which has been on a cooling trend for the past 30 years...If not the sun then what is the cause?
First of all, I don't think you can call weather over 30 years, climate. It takes longer periods to qualify as climate. Short term variations of decades etc., are just variations in weather. Longer term changes, are climatatical.
To answer your question, natural forces of a myriad of causes. Shape of Earth's orbit, Angle of Tilt (wobbles, not steady), Ocean currents, the sun (I don't believe you are correct about the sun). State of the earth's iron interior and the magnetic lines of force which steer radiation around the earth (except at the poles). The forces are legion, and all combine.
Imagine you had a hurricane blowing, and the ocean was full of huge crashing waves. This is natural ocean motion. Now, you throw a bowling ball in the ocean. It makes a splash and ripples. However, compared to the already-present motion, it pales to insignificance.
Same with any possible manmade change. Compared to the massive changes from natural causes, any possible manmade changes are trifles if even measureable.
It is also arguable that the methods and locations of measurement are flawed. Urban areas are warmer. If you measure climate in urban areas, over time, you will see and increase in temp IN THAT URBAN AREA, and may not realize that it is not representative of the weather at all "at large".
What this thread shows is not to rely on secondary sources. If you really want to evaluate evidence, go to the source, the original scientific articles. Or put more credence in what the real scientists say, those who are not being paid by the petroleum companies.
I don't know if the climate change deniers have ever read any of the scientific articles, or if they are just too stupid and unwilling. It seems like they rely on the popular press to present its version of the facts, which is often equally uninformed and distorted.
No sense of humor so they can't tell when someone is goofing.
They also think anyone who thinks global warming is nonsense is all for polluting the planet on a whim. As if me tossing my batteries into my neighbors yard will hurt anything or collecting disposable diapers and tossing em off the dam into the reservoir will really bother anybody.
And the scientists that say global warming exists get multi-million dollar government grants. No grants for them if they say climate change doesn't exist.
But they aint in it for profits? lols.
They learned this during the Acid Rain scare in the 80s. The Reagan Administration gave millions to scientists to study it. They concluded there was nothing to it. All the money stopped.
Funny, global warming became an issue a few months later. And was brought to our attention by the same scientists.
That is not true that they would not receive funding if they provided evidence that man-made climate change does not exist. Indeed, if a scientist was able to present strong data that that was the case, he or she would become famous over -night. Science builds step-by-step. When so much evidence, whether drawn from ocean temperature, or shrinking of the ice-caps, all indicate the same thing, it becomes foolhardy to ignore it.
Of course the U.S. is famous for its ignorance. What can you say about a country in which something like 40 % of the populace don't accept the evidence of evolution? (the highest rate in the world other than Turkey).
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