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Old 03-14-2013, 05:08 AM
 
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[/b]QUOTE=hnsq;28659850]Can you respond to the content of my post instead of writing it off simply because of who I am? Talk about ignorance.

I could but I don't want to grill ya. And I wasn't downing you because your a trader. I know what you had to go through to get to where your at now. It takes a very high aptitude level. What I'm talking about is your financial history. From birth to now. I want to know what experience you have budgeting at a certain income level in today's economy. If your a trader, you make too much to understand what its like for the rest of the working class.

In this current conversation I gave you three extremely viable ways a person making very little money can raise funds to move to find a better job in the current economy and you have produced very obscure excuses for every one of them. I did the math for three alternative solutions for something you claim to be impossible and I am the one who is shortsighted? ANYONE can make money in this economy if they stop being lazy and self-entitled as you are! Your rationale is that you were on the path to making good money, you quit that job and now suddenly everyone else is to blame for you not having a better paycheck. Talk about blaming other people for your own mistakes!

Plan ahead, use your free time to study, and you can easily make money. The market is not a zero sum game.[/quote]


I proved your math was faulty. You gave me the $12 an hour example and I ripped it to shreds. Do you want me to go over that analysis again?


And blaming people for my mistakes?? Please don't point the finger.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:57 AM
 
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Check job outlook sites on the net for the top job growth in your area and find the best one that matches what you are able to learn. Then get a guaranteed student loan to go to school to earn the degree or certification in that field.

If you're in a depressed area, then look at the net to find the nearest areas with job growth that you are able to relocate to.

I don't think it's overly difficult to get yourself into the middle class with a stable job if you're willing to tailor yourself to the market - learn what the market wants and where it wants it.

I think the problems are when people are unwilling to relocate, unwilling to switch jobs and simply want their current job to pay more, or are unwilling to learn skills the market values instead of expecting the market to value the skills they already have.
Our labor is more skilled as a whole (from an intelligence standpoint) then it ever has been in the history of the world.

The problem isn't people's "skills".
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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Save up.

if you're living at poverty level and have student loan payments, how do you save up?
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:38 AM
 
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if you're living at poverty level and have student loan payments, how do you save up?
Some people are just beyond hope and should commit suicide.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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Some people are just beyond hope and should commit suicide.
I'd encourage them to rage 1st. That way we can learn from the experience. Would be even better if they protested.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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I could but I don't want to grill ya. And I wasn't downing you because your a trader. I know what you had to go through to get to where your at now. It takes a very high aptitude level. What I'm talking about is your financial history. From birth to now. I want to know what experience you have budgeting at a certain income level in today's economy. If your a trader, you make too much to understand what its like for the rest of the working class.
Not that it is relevant, but I am not a trader, I do quantitative analysis in the financial sector. Go ahead and grill me. I didn't always have the job I did now. For years I lived on a low income, rode a bike to work 11 miles each way to save money (look through my posting history if you don't believe me, I have talked about it multiple times). I used to live in an apartment so sh*tty that we had to turn the window A/C off to run the microwave to not blow a fuse. I know about budgeting.

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I proved your math was faulty. You gave me the $12 an hour example and I ripped it to shreds. Do you want me to go over that analysis again?

And blaming people for my mistakes?? Please don't point the finger.
I am sorry, you 'ripped it to shreds'? You gave excuses why for an extremely minor minority what I suggested MIGHT not work. You made excuses, nothing more. You didn't do any analysis whatsoever.

I know you aren't putting me down. I respect you and your intelligence as I know you do me. We just have extremely different political philosophies. The fact that we can talk about them like this is what forces us to become more intelligent on these issues.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Riding a bike is not that bad though... Faster and more fun than walkin.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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if you're living at poverty level and have student loan payments, how do you save up?
Your poverty is your problem - solve it. Relocate, upgrade skills, do whatever is necessary.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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Not that it is relevant, but I am not a trader, I do quantitative analysis in the financial sector. Go ahead and grill me. I didn't always have the job I did now. For years I lived on a low income, rode a bike to work 11 miles each way to save money (look through my posting history if you don't believe me, I have talked about it multiple times). I used to live in an apartment so sh*tty that we had to turn the window A/C off to run the microwave to not blow a fuse. I know about budgeting.

I'm not gonna grill you for what you do. On a personal level, everybody that knows me knows I could care less about job titles. I'm offended when people ask what I do. So don't take it as that. I'm just trying to build a reference as far as your financial history since it pertains to this thread topic.

And I'm glad that you experienced some struggle. I believe its good for us all.

But look at things this way. How do you value yourself? Are you that much more important than farmers, janitors, teachers, etc? What justifies your salary? I'm asking this just to dig deeper in out current pay scale.



I am sorry, you 'ripped it to shreds'? You gave excuses why for an extremely minor minority what I suggested MIGHT not work. You made excuses, nothing more. You didn't do any analysis whatsoever.

I know you aren't putting me down. I respect you and your intelligence as I know you do me. We just have extremely different political philosophies. The fact that we can talk about them like this is what forces us to become more intelligent on these issues.
I'm definitely not trying to put you down. This is just an issue I'm pretty passionate about. IMO, its what's holding our economy back.


As a business owner, I need Americans to have money to spend. All businesses are affected when consumers don't have money to spend.


Is there a lack of revenue in this country or is it just being distributed wrong?
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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I'm definitely not trying to put you down. This is just an issue I'm pretty passionate about. IMO, its what's holding our economy back.


As a business owner, I need Americans to have money to spend. All businesses are affected when consumers don't have money to spend.


Is there a lack of revenue in this country or is it just being distributed wrong?
I'm very interested in what the response to this question will be.
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