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Another unfounded view. Not everyone is trained or capable of performing CPR, and some who are trained/capable would not for legal reasons and/or infectious disease from a stranger (regardless of what the real risks may/not be).
I went to CPR classes. Trust me, it doesn't take a genius I.Q.
You're falling into lunacy. First, you don't know what happened here, so cease pretending you know more than what the rest of us or the media know. Second, the nurse didn't refuse to comply because of the reasons you state - AT ALL. Third, the 911 operator gave instructions which the nurse refused to comply with.
911 operator instructions are not legal orders.
And those of us that are licensed as nurses must follow our respective state's nurse practice act and not the instructions of a dispatcher with no training...
I mean seriously, the only people throwing a fit are non-medical personnel. That should tell you everything you need to know...
This was not a hospice or a hospital, it was an independent living facility, so yes this person on the phone would have been covered under the Good Samaritan Statute - as she was told by the dispatcher.
Missed this.
Many independent living setups include nursing "clinics." Where people come for minor first aid, or assistance with and/or education concerning meter use, caring for wounds.
All if that, including education, is technically medical care.
The fact that there is a nurse on duty implies a medical facility, under the auspices of some regulatory body.
In any case, Nurses are still subject to the Nurse Practice Act (may have different name but most states call it that) regardless of the GS Act.
Who cares about a civil suit if you loss your license?
When it comes to emergency care Nurse > 911 dispatcher.
If she made the wrong choice based in some as of yet unknown information the Nursing board will deal with her.
So they have a nurse for the purpose of dialing the phone????? For Pete's sake.
The fact that they had a nurse on board who made sure this woman received no treatment, will create HUGE problems for this facility. Guaranteed. Mark my words. They might have been better off to not have a nurse there at all. Then at least they could've claimed they had no medical providers present. I'm looking forward to seeing what develops in this case, if it doesn't settle ASAP. No doubt the management of this ridiculous place has already contacted their attorneys and is discussing settlement.
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You're falling into lunacy. First, you don't know what happened here, so cease pretending you know more than what the rest of us or the media know. Second, the nurse didn't refuse to comply because of the reasons you state - AT ALL. Third, the 911 operator gave instructions which the nurse refused to comply with.
If a 911 operator told me to perform CPR on a breathing individual I would ask her why she would instruct me to do something against everything taught in a CPR class. But that has been noted at least 20 times here.
If someone is breathing at all, they have a heartbeat and should not have their chest pounded on, especially an 87 year old whose ribs will snap like twigs and poke into the liver causing massive hemorrhage.
I can tell you that is not the case. An 87 year old, who requires CPR outside of a hospital and where there is no AED, has essentially a 0% chance of survival.
My sympathy is with the nurse who is being scapegoated because the public has totally unrealistic expectations of life and death.
I'll ask again. If it's against policy to administer CPR, then the age of this lady is irrelevant. Any visitor, including a child or a nurse could lose consciousness or worse, and they would deny treatment until the EMT get there - that is a problem What is the point in having a nurse present? Does she just change bed pans and dispense meds?
As for the broken ribs argument, the same could be said of anyone not all that beefy, a woman, a child... why teach it if you're going to be so afraid to use this technique?
Those heartless, gutless "nurses" should be so ashamed. To let that die with this could care less attitude is sickening. You put a life above your job, unless you are a cowardly dirt bag.
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