Should California Secede from the US? (Bush, Iraq, middle east, represent)

[Willys]

Originally Posted by roanoker 4

Remember our founding fathers...Government is "OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE".

Congress... 535 reasons to support term limits with NO benefits and NO grandfathering tenure. Washington would be proud. George that is.

[CarolinaBredChicagoan]

Originally Posted by Mach50Thunderdart

Sign away..

A Petition for California's Secession from the Federal Government Petition

Hmmmm....

A petition to allow a state to secede.... that can be signed by anyone regardless of the state in which that person resides? Doesn't seem very well thought out....

[JoeP]

Are you guys aware of this?

I remember hearing about maybe a few years ago, but it's not surprising. After it is centrally located in a part of the country that tried to leave the United States before...

[Willys]

Not entirely a bad idea, not sure a goood one. Congress is certainly out of control, not to mention judges legislating from the bench.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by CarolinaBredChicagoan

Hmmm. Satire isn't intelligent. Check. Glad to be schooled.

He only commented because you didn't talk about how amazing California is. If your satire had been directed the other direction, he would have applauded you. Good post, by the way.

[Artliquide]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Are you guys aware of this?

I remember hearing about maybe a few years ago, but it's not surprising. After it is centrally located in a part of the country that tried to leave the United States before...

I agree that some of our freedoms have disappeared, but claiming that the US is no longer a god centered nation? It never was. Many of the Founders were Deists, not evangelical Christians. Washington, Jefferson and Voltaire (French Deist/philosopher) used to hang out a lot. I don't think that creating a theocratic government would be very constitutional.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by bigdave01

California should defenitely succeed. However, we need to take Alaska, part of British Columbia, Oregon, Washington, and Baja. That would be a great country.

Good luck with that. Assuming that California was able to secede, peacefully, there is absolutely no way you'd be able to take Alaska. There would be war, and California would be annihilated. Alaska has too many resources. You wouldn't be allowed to have Washington, either. There is no way the US would give up it's entire Pacific border. Oregon might be a possibility, depending on how much of the federal debt you'd be willing to assume (perhaps all of it).

Sorry, but there's no way California will be able to secede because they're too weak. When push comes to shove, California will lay down.

[Mach50]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

He only commented because you didn't talk about how amazing California is. If your satire had been directed the other direction, he would have applauded you. Good post, by the way.

Not true at all, I could care less if you have anything bad to say about this state. I thought the poster should at least add something else, besides just insults and non-original humor.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Mach50Thunderdart

Not true at all, I could care less if Non-Cali has anything bad to say about this state. I thought the poster should at least add something else, besides just insults and non-original humor.

Of course neither of us can prove our claims, since we can't go back in time. However, your post is not persuasive, at all. In my mind, you're still a blind, arrogant Californian.

[Mach50]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

Of course neither of us can prove our claims, since we can't go back in time. However, your post is not persuasive, at all. In my mind, you're still a blind, arrogant Californian.

Hey thanks for the personal attack. I am just bringing the topic up for discussion, I don't need to persuade anyone.