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Old 03-05-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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There seems to be some confusion about this on this board.

Libertarian is VERY different from Liberal. About the only thing they share is lower defense spending and being socially liberal.

Libertarian does NOT equal Tea Party. The TP is just a wing of the GOP that shares some Libertarian views. They are libertarian LEANING. Not Libertarian.

The Tea Party is to Republicans what the Blue Dog Coalition is to Democrats.


A c/p from another thread,

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Libertarians believe that the federal government should stay out of abortion, gay marriage and drugs. That those should be controlled at State level and not the federal level.
That is very different to what Republicans think.
Democrats want the above but still controlled at the federal level. (Big govt.)

Libertarians want a flat tax.
Opposite of what Democrats want.

Libertarians support gun ownership.
Democrats don't.

Libertarians want small govt.
Neither Reps. or Dems. do.

Libertarians are non-interventional.
We do not believe in going to war every chance we can or flexing our muscles every time Republicans think we should.
So lower defense spending.

Libertarians believe in less welfare and more charity.

Libertarians want a free market. Not this so called "free market" we have.

Libertarians believe in enforcing current laws instead of writing new laws for laws we already have.

Libertarians believe in personal freedom and not having our lives controlled by govt.
Libertarians have their own party.

http://www.lp.org/
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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Thank you for this.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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A c/p from another thread,

Libertarians want a flat tax.
Opposite of what Democrats want.

Libertarians have their own party.

Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government
Yes we do.

Screw the flat tax, Our Libertarian Party wants to abolish the 16th amendment

And, since half of us don't pay federal income tax now, we are half way there
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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There seems to be some confusion about this on this board.

Libertarian is VERY different from Liberal. About the only thing they share is lower defense spending and being socially liberal.

Libertarian does NOT equal Tea Party. The TP is just a wing of the GOP that shares some Libertarian views. They are libertarian LEANING. Not Libertarian.

The Tea Party is to Republicans what the Blue Dog Coalition is to Democrats.
Couple corrections -

The Tea Party is not a wing of the GOP. The Tea Party is an amalgamation of many independent groups who end up supporting the Republicans because the Republicans are closer to their views than the Democrats are. There is a wing of the GOP composed of elected Republicans who are Tea Party members, but that is only a subset of the Tea Party, just as there is a socialist group of Democrats but socialists aren't Democrats and Democrats aren't socialists. Democrats are just the party that those who are socialists support.

While there is a Tea Party caucus of Republicans in Congress, the Tea Party is not a caucus the way the Blue Dog Coalition is. The Tea Party caucus is a caucus made up of people who support the Tea Party. The Tea Party itself is not a caucus. The Blue Dog Coalition is entirely a caucus within the Democrats and does not exist as a separate group from the Democrats. You have "Tea Party" and "Tea Party Republicans" but you do not have "Blue Dogs" and "Blue Dog Democrats". There are only "Blue Dog Democrats".

The Tea Party is further to the right of mainstream Republicans. Therefore the analogy on the left would be the socialist caucus, not the Blue Dogs. The Blue Dogs are more towards the center than mainstream Democrats, not further to the left.

It's like socialist - progressive democrat - blue dog democrat - republican - tea party - libertarian going along the scale with the scale being big government - limited government.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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I consider myself a libertarian on personal issues and a moderate on fiscal issues.

There is a big difference between libertarians, liberals, and the tea party. I agree.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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Unfortunately most Libertarians are inconsistent. What we call public land has already been privatized. Just ask a Cherokee. The only differences is some of this land is then sold into the private sector and enforced by da guberment . Hence land ownership is a product of government unless its based upon the natural right of occupation. If there is no occupation then its a government entity and you should pay for it.


That is why I am a geo libertarian. I also tend to believe the same thing about money which is a socially created entity. If agree to trade with someone and wrote it in a book, and then someone decided to buy the book and rent it to me, I would not be too happy. Yet that is when happens when people hoard commodity money. Its also the responsibility of the creditor to deal with the speculative reality of a loan. You are not being paid money. Money is a proxy for what is speculated to occur in the future. The nominal debt is not to become a fraudulent conveyance due to the supply of money, over the actual commodity.

So what makes someone who believes in legal tender laws(like gold standards) and private property ( not based upon the natural law of occupation and fixtures of their own ) for liberty? If such people enjoy government privileges, then they need to fund it. If I occupy, I cost my neighbor. The cost of that occupation has nothing to do with what one does in their occupation. So what liberty is there in taxing labor and industry?

The revenue of government should be taxed from the very same income producing privileges that it makes like land speculation and banking, not from labor and capital.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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There seems to be some confusion about this on this board.

Libertarian is VERY different from Liberal. About the only thing they share is lower defense spending and being socially liberal.

Libertarian does NOT equal Tea Party. The TP is just a wing of the GOP that shares some Libertarian views. They are libertarian LEANING. Not Libertarian.

The Tea Party is to Republicans what the Blue Dog Coalition is to Democrats.


Libertarians have their own party.

Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government
Mostly agreed, though it's always interesting that Libertarians seem to take so much care to distinguish themselves from Liberals and Democrats, but never really speak much to their differences with Republicans... which IMO, are many and huge!
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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Mostly agreed, though it's always interesting that Libertarians seem to take so much care to distinguish themselves from Liberals and Democrats, but never really speak much to their differences with Republicans... which IMO, are many and huge!
Agreed.

I just see people associate Liberal as being Libertarian(probably because of the name) and that being Libertarian means you support the TP or vice versa.
Just wanted to point out that is not the case.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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There seems to be some confusion about this on this board.

The Tea Party is to Republicans what the Blue Dog Coalition is to Democrats.
I disagree completely!

Tea Party people are NOT conservatives, as the right wing ideologues like to say.

Tea Party people are COMMON SENSE Americans.

As I like to tease the right wing ideologues, there are 25 talking points that one must agree to in order to be a"conservative" (in the minds of the ideologues) and Tea Party people may agree with 20 of those points.

It is ALL about We the People. Ideologues right and left just dont get it.

JMHO
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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Couple corrections -

The Tea Party is not a wing of the GOP. The Tea Party is an amalgamation of many independent groups who end up supporting the Republicans because the Republicans are closer to their views than the Democrats are. There is a wing of the GOP composed of elected Republicans who are Tea Party members, but that is only a subset of the Tea Party, just as there is a socialist group of Democrats but socialists aren't Democrats and Democrats aren't socialists. Democrats are just the party that those who are socialists support.

While there is a Tea Party caucus of Republicans in Congress, the Tea Party is not a caucus the way the Blue Dog Coalition is. The Tea Party caucus is a caucus made up of people who support the Tea Party. The Tea Party itself is not a caucus. The Blue Dog Coalition is entirely a caucus within the Democrats and does not exist as a separate group from the Democrats. You have "Tea Party" and "Tea Party Republicans" but you do not have "Blue Dogs" and "Blue Dog Democrats". There are only "Blue Dog Democrats".

The Tea Party is further to the right of mainstream Republicans. Therefore the analogy on the left would be the socialist caucus, not the Blue Dogs. The Blue Dogs are more towards the center than mainstream Democrats, not further to the left.

It's like socialist - progressive democrat - blue dog democrat - republican - tea party - libertarian going along the scale with the scale being big government - limited government.
Yeh I should have been a little more clear. I'm referring more to TP Republicans. Also just wanted to dumb it down a bit.

Appreciate the extra info and clarity.
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