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A soldier can be brought up on murder charges. They can not kill simply because they decide someone should be dead and do have to explain their actions when those actions are questioned.
Soldier charged with 17 murder counts in Afghan rampage, may face death
He begins by stating if GOAL:I rise today to begin to filibuster John Brennan's nomination for the CIA
The "killed by drone" is when he loses me, because it should not matter if killed by a drone, or by a sniper. Why is the "by drone" important? I keep asking, but so far no answers.
So your understanding is that drones are no different than Obama saying I have the authority to send in a SEAL team to kill any American I decide is a threat w/o presenting evidence to a court before or explaining afterwards why I put that American on a kill list to begin with. And that both scenarios are okay?
A soldier can be brought up on murder charges. They can not kill simply because they decide someone should be dead and do have to explain their actions when those actions are questioned.
Soldier charged with 17 murder counts in Afghan rampage, may face death
How many non-combatants have soldiers killed on the battlefield? How many have been arrested? Even if only 1 soldier walked away from killing an bystander w/o being detained, it would prove there are different rules on a battlefield.
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Do you have any examples of CIA agents targeting and killing American citizens? I would be interested in them.
Probably not, but we have evidence of them targeting and killing enemy combatants, which is what Obama is defending his right to label American citizens as.
If they are on American soil, then why would that be your only option?
If you know where they are, then bring them in.
And those "extraordinary circumstances" are a slippery slope. After 9/11, we have been engaged in a "War on Terror" that knows no boundaries and no end date. You can use those "war powers" to justify anything.
And, please understand, I do believe Obama is a good person with good intentions. I think he really is trying to do the right thing for the American people. But the precidents that are set now will be almost impossible to unravel down the road.
That's all good, and again, a good reason to reconsider the AUMF, since it's the document that states that the president can use military force against anyone he determines is a member or supporter of Al Qaida. It is not, however, a good reason to grandstand against strawman, as Rand Paul did when he started talking about how Obama wouldn't say that he wouldn't use a drone strike against a person at a car, or walking down the street.
How many non-combatants have soldiers killed on the battlefield? How many have been arrested? Even if only 1 soldier walked away from killing an bystander w/o being detained, it would prove there are different rules on a battlefield.
No, the argument is that it is easier to get away with it during war time. I am absolutely sure many have been able to do so. I am not sure what that has to do with this conversation.
I'm willing to listen though.
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Probably not, but we have evidence of them targeting and killing enemy combatants, which is what Obama is defending his right to label American citizens as.
You do not lose your Constitutional rights simply because the president decides to call you a bad name.
No, the argument is that it is easier to get away with it during war time. I am absolutely sure many have been able to do so. I am not sure what that has to do with this conversation.
I'm willing to listen though.
Nevermind. It's beside the point.
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You do not lose your Constitutional rights simply because the president decides to call you a bad name.
Unfortunately Holder and Obama are arguing that you can if the President decides to label you so.
What if we were? You people just want to disarm everyone who is trying to protect you.
Law enforcement does not protect me or anyone else except government officials. Show me a single citizen that has a permanent, tax paid law enforcement officer assigned to protect them.
Your statement is completely inane.
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