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Old 03-07-2013, 07:09 AM
 
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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conservatives continue to prove that they don't believe their own bs.

It is the same refrain. Whenever a popular program is cut conservatives will say "we didn't mean for that program to be cut".

Lol.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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conservatives continue to prove that they don't believe their own bs.

It is the same refrain. Whenever a popular program is cut conservatives will say "we didn't mean for that program to be cut".

Lol.
No - that's not it.

It's that none of the wasteful useless spending is cut.

Example...

Volunteers sought for simulated Mars mission and study of 'menu fatigue'

Astronauts on a mission to Mars will need much more than freeze-dried ice cream to sustain them, and researchers at Cornell are working to determine the best way to keep them well nourished during their three-year journeys and four-month stays on the Red Planet.

...
Jean Hunter, associate professor of biological and environmental engineering, and Bruce Halpern, professor of psychology and neurobiology and behavior, have teamed up with Kim Binsted, associate professor of information and computer science at the University of Hawai'i-Manoa, to conduct a $947,000, three-year NASA study on the diets of the six volunteers, who will be required to live and work like astronauts, including suiting up in space gear whenever they venture outdoors.


Didn't we just defund NASA space flight pragrams? This grant was awarded in 2012 - for what purpose??

So this project, that profits an ivy league school and a school from the president's home state, continues - meanwhile, flight control towers are being shut down and jobs are needlessly lost.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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No - that's not it.

It's that none of the wasteful useless spending is cut.

...

Didn't we just defund NASA space flight pragrams? This grant was awarded in 2012 - for what purpose??

So this project, that profits an ivy league school and a school from the president's home state, continues - meanwhile, flight control towers are being shut down and jobs are needlessly lost.
Close the FAA towers at small/medium airports and cut this NASA study.

[problem solved - everyone happy]
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No - that's not it.

It's that none of the wasteful useless spending is cut.

Example...

Volunteers sought for simulated Mars mission and study of 'menu fatigue'

Astronauts on a mission to Mars will need much more than freeze-dried ice cream to sustain them, and researchers at Cornell are working to determine the best way to keep them well nourished during their three-year journeys and four-month stays on the Red Planet.

...
Jean Hunter, associate professor of biological and environmental engineering, and Bruce Halpern, professor of psychology and neurobiology and behavior, have teamed up with Kim Binsted, associate professor of information and computer science at the University of Hawai'i-Manoa, to conduct a $947,000, three-year NASA study on the diets of the six volunteers, who will be required to live and work like astronauts, including suiting up in space gear whenever they venture outdoors.

Didn't we just defund NASA space flight pragrams? This grant was awarded in 2012 - for what purpose??

So this project, that profits an ivy league school and a school from the president's home state, continues - meanwhile, flight control towers are being shut down and jobs are needlessly lost.
It doesn't "profit" for an ivy league school, it's a study for the government and it's primarily Cornell University in addition to current studies in Tx. How much funding did Hawaii receive, much bigger fish to fry. If you want to eliminate the space program just say so...
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Ontario, NY
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80% of the FAA budget comes from user fees paid for by folks that fly.
This is true, but the money generated by the user fees go into the government's general fund, which the FAA then has to submit a budget to the federal government to get the money back. What that means is just because the Tax is suppose to be used to fund the FAA, doesn't mean it will actually go to the FAA. The fees generate about 12 billion dollars a year, but the federal government could only fund the FAA 10 billion and pocket the rest. Nothing forces the Fed to spend the user fees taxes on the FAA.

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Most towers are unmanned, this is normal. It just means you've got to speak your approach on a common channel and keep your eyes and ears open. The local airport here, right next to FT Campbell military base is unmanned.

This isn't the disaster people who know nothing about flight thinks it is.
Your only getting part of the story. Not only are they going to shut down all the non-core airport air traffic control towers, they are going to stop fixing radar/navigation/comm equipment at small airports. The way they are going to keep the National Airspace System safe is to increase the separation between planes. Instead of 3 miles between planes, there will be 10 or more miles. This in turn will lead to less planes in the sky, less planes taking off and landing. The 77 Core airports will be fully staffed and the equipment fully functional, but not the smaller airports. This is going to take time for the flying public to see the effects of these cuts, but believe me, they will see and feel them in time as equipment failures and layoffs mount. This is just the first year of the sequester, the budget cuts for next year are larger and will continue to get larger every year unless the law is changed.

Ideally what should happen in my opinion, the FAA accounts should be separated from the general fund, and the user fees increased by 20%. This way the FAA can continue to operate separate from the fed, regardless if the federal government shuts down due to budget impasses, debt ceiling, sequester or whatever. Just like the post office does.

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Old 03-15-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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This is true, but the money generated by the user fees go into the government's general fund, which the FAA then has to submit a budget to the federal government to get the money back. What that means is just because the Tax is suppose to be used to fund the FAA, doesn't mean it will actually go to the FAA. The fees generate about 12 billion dollars a year, but the federal government could only fund the FAA 10 billion and pocket the rest. Nothing forces the Fed to spend the user fees taxes on the FAA.
That doesn't make much sense does it?
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Stats are wonderful, only 1%. 1% of the federal budget is quite large in $ terms
Do you believe there isn't even 1% of absolute pure waste in the federal government that could be done away with, without any impact what so ever? Or are you one of those people who thinks that not increasing spending is the same thing as a spending cut?
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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As I have posted before, our government does not even cut air traffic controllers during a complete shutdown of the federal government. So what 0bama is doing is incredibly irresponsible and outrageous.
When planes start crashing the Obama plan is to blame the republicans. That goat does not fly anymore he is making a safety error and now a political error.He is not known for political errors
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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