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Old 03-12-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Yeah, you would think more of them would go into business for themselves to keep the fruits of their labor, as many millions before them have done. Instead they agree to work for somebody else, on mutually agreeable terms. Go figure.
We can't ALL own our own business, yes? If we did - we wouldn't need YOUR business. Everyone in this country is NOT meant to own their own business; we need some workers so that they can purchase from YOUR business.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Ah, that is the point. Corporations are cutting jobs. Only thing Faux isn't telling you is how much profit those corporations are making in sending jobs overseas.

We could just tax the living daylights out of companies that send jobs overseas and tax the money they invest in other countries (financial transaction tax) while cutting taxes for those who keep jobs here and giving them incentive to keep jobs in the US...but that would be "socialism" and we can't have that
What is pathetic is that you don't understand that this will NOT make them create more jobs. What it will do, however, is cause them to raise prices on all of us to PAY for those taxes you want to "tax the living daylights out of them" for.

So we still don't have any new jobs and now the prices just rose even more. BRILLIANT STRATEGY.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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Not only are corporations posting record profits, but these "job creators" are not creating jobs, at least in the U.S. Actually, many are cutting jobs.

And the sequestration job cuts will NOT be cutting into corporate profits.
[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/economy/corporate-profits-soar-as-worker-income-limps.html"]
Corporate Profits Soar As Worker Income Limps -- NY Times[/URL]
Cutting the fat (un-needed employees) has contributed to their profits. Obama got tough with them, with Obama care, so they, realizing how much more it would cost to keep the "deadwood" afloat, just tossed them over the side and pocketed the savings, current wages/salaries no longer paid, plus future increased costs from avoiding Obama -care costs on them.

Win-win for the corporations AND the stockholders (such as me). Thanks Obama!!!!
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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We can't ALL own our own business, yes? If we did - we wouldn't need YOUR business. Everyone in this country is NOT meant to own their own business; we need some workers so that they can purchase from YOUR business.
Sure you would.

No one business creates everything that everyone needs.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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Do you understand that the days of 4, 5 and 6% raises are long gone? That the days of pensions are gone, too?

I lived those days as well - they haven't been around for a long, long time.

For young people starting in the same industry I am currently in - it will take them FOREVER to make what I make. Because these are the days of 0 raises and 1% raises and that has gone on for years. A promotion to another level used to mean a 7 or 8% raise and now these folks are lucky if they get 3% for that same promotion.

There is a difference between now and then. The fastest way for young people today to get a raise is to job hop within the same industry.

Of course, we have the right to 'choose' where we work. But when all the big Corps are playing by the same rule book ~ it doesn't much matter.
My mother can attest to this first hand, she used to work for CSX, before she retired, and part of her job was to arrange the meetings and travel arrangements for CSX board of directors, and the CEO of CSX at that time was on the board of directors of at least 1 other company. From what I understand that happens a fair amount, more than one executive serving on the board of directors for another company.

As far as raises go, I have gone several years with no raise, none being offered for many departments, and when there is a raise, it is 3% if you have been really good at what you are doing.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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But it's okay when Obama drools over green energy corporations, right? It's okay when Obama crushes union workers in the coal industry, right? It's okay when Obama kills union jobs by crushing the Keystone pipeline, right?
Wow. EVERY right winger worships the rich and corporations, has as its goal benefiting the rich and corporations, is a right winger with the ultimate purpose of benefiting the rich and corporations, and has no other point in being a right winger but to worship at the altar of the rich and corporations, and your defense is that Obama one day said something good about some green program in some corporation?

That's some awesomely good defense you came up with against my accusations!
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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Do you understand that the days of 4, 5 and 6% raises are long gone? That the days of pensions are gone, too?

I lived those days as well - they haven't been around for a long, long time.

For young people starting in the same industry I am currently in - it will take them FOREVER to make what I make. Because these are the days of 0 raises and 1% raises and that has gone on for years. A promotion to another level used to mean a 7 or 8% raise and now these folks are lucky if they get 3% for that same promotion.

There is a difference between now and then. The fastest way for young people today to get a raise is to job hop within the same industry.

Of course, we have the right to 'choose' where we work. But when all the big Corps are playing by the same rule book ~ it doesn't much matter.
The interesting thing is that some of these right wingers are poverty stricken, and busy cutting off their nose to spite their face by voting Republican. Any theory as to why they do this repeatedly, and even to themselves? I could even understand it partially if they were doing it to the poor only because they are very rich, but fact is, some of the right wingnuts are poor, and voting and defending those who have trashed their future and opportunities. I can't help but think that too many right wingers are simply not very bright. Maybe there's a different theory.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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The interesting thing is that some of these right wingers are poverty stricken, and busy cutting off their nose to spite their face by voting Republican. Any theory as to why they do this repeatedly, and even to themselves? I could even understand it partially if they were doing it to the poor only because they are very rich, but fact is, some of the right wingnuts are poor, and voting and defending those who have trashed their future and opportunities. I can't help but think that too many right wingers are simply not very bright. Maybe there's a different theory.
You couldn't be more wrong, if you tried to. While it is true that no all Conservatives are rich, conservatism, when practiced, leads to prosperity. Also, conservatives often, if not usually, vote for what is best for America, NOT their own best interest. Such greed-based voting is usually the bastion of LWNJs and their Gimme, Gimme, Gimme brand of "politics".
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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You couldn't be more wrong, if you tried to. While it is true that no all Conservatives are rich, conservatism, when practiced, leads to prosperity. Also, conservatives often, if not usually, vote for what is best for America, NOT their own best interest. Such greed-based voting is usually the bastion of LWNJs and their Gimme, Gimme, Gimme brand of "politics".
I gotta hand it to you, rich or poor, you right wingers are experts at nonsense.

As for the prosperity myths, American Dream myth, millionaire books, and all those "if-you-only-work-hard-you-can-be-a-millionaire" propaganda, you all talk it up excellently. It's all lies, but you do a good job trying to con everyone.

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Does it matter? Yes. Let's start with the difference between income and wealth. The top 1% of today's earners make more than $700,000 annually, and the top 1% in terms of wealth have assets of more than $9 million.
There's a big difference between the two kinds of money. Income lasts only as long as you have the job, and it has a tendency to get spent once it's earned. Income taxes, which are hard to evade on earnings, come out of it, as do the expenses of daily life. But wealth is forever, as long as the possessor can resist risky investments and live on the income from it rather than the principal. Many of the returns on acquired wealth come from capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate of 15%. Other returns are sheltered from taxes in a variety of ways.
It is a lot better for the pocketbook, it turns out, to have a trust fund than to work as a stock trader, especially in a downturn like ours. Enduring wealth also translates into enduring political power in our system. Wealth inequality and the American dream - Los Angeles Times 2011

Too bad I see right through your con game. Would you mind trying it on me again and see if I'll fall for it this time?
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: it depends
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We can't ALL own our own business, yes? If we did - we wouldn't need YOUR business. Everyone in this country is NOT meant to own their own business; we need some workers so that they can purchase from YOUR business.
Partly right. And every single person among those who are not meant to own their own business, is free to sell their labor to the highest bidder, to devote their hours to their highest and best use, and to make changes whenever that works to improve their situation.

Unfortunately, some who have not made themselves valuable to others, who are not of service to the rest of society, put sweat and effort into complaining about it instead of making improvements to their value.

Where you are wrong is that a nation of business-owners would also be a nation of consumers. My time is valuable, measured by what others will pay me for it...so I make more extensive use of businesses that save me time. If a person's time is worth $100/hour, why would they put $200 worth of labor into mowing the lawn when they could pay somebody else a fraction of that cost?
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