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Old 06-18-2014, 03:46 AM
 
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Hannity's awful
I like Hannity just fine, and I like Ted Cruz, but I disagree that he is eligible to be President. He was foreign born.
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:49 AM
 
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I like Hannity just fine, and I like Ted Cruz, but I disagree that he is eligible to be President. He was foreign born.


Since he was never naturalized, is he ineligible to hold a Senate seat?
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:55 AM
 
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Ted Cruz does not respect the Constitution.

But, so what?

His best defense is: So? Who does?

This country is just too small and immigrated to supply itself with enough people qualified for the presidency.

We should try to enlist Putin to be President-Dual to America and Russia.

Or, what the hell, just annex Russia.

We don't need no stinking Canadians!

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Old 06-18-2014, 04:04 AM
 
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Of course Hannity is wrong. Ted Cruz is not a natural born Citizen. He is at best a statutory 14th Amendment citizen. That is not enough to meet the founders qualifications to be a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen. You see, the whole purpose of A2S1C5 was to ensure, to the greatest extent possible, that the person entrusted to wield the presidential levers of power would be a person with presumed undivided loyalties to the United States. If one or more of your parents are not US citizens themselves, that waters down the gold standard of presumed undivided loyalty to the US. The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen†to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereofâ€. Cruz doesn't qualify.

Video: Sean Hannity Declares Canadian-Born Ted Cruz Eligible To Be President; Cruz Dodges | Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records

At approx 4:15 EST Hannity (radio) interviews Ted Cruz. At the end of the conversation Hannity asks Cruz if he is eligible to run for POTUS. Cruz dodges the question, but Hannity pushes. Cruz says his focus is on our country's problems and he'll leave it to others to decide if he's NBC. When Hannity keeps it going Cruz says he was born of an American mother avoiding place of birth. Hannity brings up the Canadian birth. Cruz says he had American citizenship at birth because of his mother. Hannity concludes something like "well then your're a NBC!"
Interesting, since Obama's dad wasn't a U.S. Citizen, that means you just disqualified out president from being president.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:10 AM
 
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Since he was never naturalized, is he ineligible to hold a Senate seat?
He was born to a US citizen, therefore his citizenship is not at all in question. He is a "US citizen born abroad" and eligible to be Senator, but not President.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:11 AM
 
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Interesting, since Obama's dad wasn't a U.S. Citizen, that means you just disqualified out president from being president.
What was his mother's citizenship at the time of his birth? It was US, therefore Cruz was born to a US citizen. Both parents don't have to be citizens for the child to be a US citizen born abroad.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:14 AM
 
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What was his mother's citizenship at the time of his birth?
Well, she worked for the CIA at the time of birth, so I guess you'd call her a globalist citizen.

I was going to apply for global citizenship, but I figured I'd have been denied for being too provincially American.

But now, the USA is global, so maybe all U.S. citizens are global citizens by some sort of common law amnesty, or something.

Certainly we've all earned the right.

The United States draws its money from the same banks everyone else does.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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Interesting, since Obama's dad wasn't a U.S. Citizen, that means you just disqualified out president from being president.
IF Obama was born in Hawaii as claimed, it doesn't matter even if neither of his parents was a citizen. He was a native born US citizen and eleigible to be President. If he wasn't born in the US it wouldn't matter if both parents were US citizens, he still wouldn't be eligible to be president because he would have been foreign born. It's the place of birth, not the citizenship of the parents, that matters for eligibility for being president. Eligibility for citizenship is different, and if either parent is a US citizen, then even if the birth occurs on the International Space Station or Pluto then the child is a US citizen.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:11 AM
 
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Though "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution, it has been interpreted by the courts as whether or not you had US citizenship when you are born or if you obtained it through the naturalization process. If you are born on US soil (jus soli, you are a US citizen (see the 14th Amendment). If you are born abroad to a US citizen, then you are also considered a US citizen (jus sanguinis). Statutes exist on these issues.
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:51 AM
 
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Though "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution, it has been interpreted by the courts as whether or not you had US citizenship when you are born or if you obtained it through the naturalization process. If you are born on US soil (jus soli, you are a US citizen (see the 14th Amendment). If you are born abroad to a US citizen, then you are also considered a US citizen (jus sanguinis). Statutes exist on these issues.

Yes. But requirements for citizenship and eligibility for being president are not the same. To be eligible for president you must be born on US soil.
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