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Old 03-07-2013, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Blue Civil War: The Battle for California

It is the blue civil war, pitting key elements of the Democratic coalition against one another as the old social model fails and the growth curve of rising blue model costs runs up against fiscal limits. Blue model policies, whatever their merits, don’t generate the revenue that can support blue model institutions and methods, and when those shortfalls appear, the coalition divides. It’s happened in Wisconsin, it’s happened in Indiana; it’s happened in Michigan and it is happening in California.

The Battle of San Diego is now in full swing. Last summer, voters there approved Prop. B, a ballot measure to reform a pension system whose cost had quintupled in 12 years, eating up revenue for other activities. As politicians struggled to pay off the pension obligations, libraries closed their doors and roads deteriorated. Voters had enough. No longer would they accept service cuts (or tax hikes) to pay to keep unionized public employees in the lifestyle to which they had grown accustomed.

The unions are striking back. A few weeks ago, the Public Employment Relations Board, a quasi-judicial administrative agency for public employees, ruled that “the city failed to negotiate in good faith with its public employee unions before Proposition B was placed on the ballot,” as a local news station reported. In other words, unions believe they should have veto power over which options are put before the voters.


Will have to check in on this from time to time.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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California is the best and worst place in the world. The geography and weather are as close to perfect as you can get in this world. Unfortunately, it was a place that was too perfect and everyone exploited it.

The liberals in CA are worse than the liberals in the rest of the country. They are so self-centered and and irrational.

Would you consider San Diego a liberal city as this point?
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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California only got a balanced budget after Democrats got a supermajority in state house. There are many closet Republicans in cities like San Diego masquerading as democrats or even worse, as libertarians. Time to smoke 'em out.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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California is the best and worst place in the world. The geography and weather are as close to perfect as you can get in this world. Unfortunately, it was a place that was too perfect and everyone exploited it.

The liberals in CA are worse than the liberals in the rest of the country. They are so self-centered and and irrational.

Would you consider San Diego a liberal city as this point?
They are stupid beyond belief and deserve the misery they create for themselves. Wishing the state would fall of into the ocean and end them in an instant would too kind of a punishment for them. They deserve the complete misery they create for themselves.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:22 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Is it at all relevant that among the main targets of the pension-reform legislation, and whose unions are fighting it, are police officers and firefighters?

Some "radical leftists" they are.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:32 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Hope North Korea targets CA first.
Huh. Do all libertarians enjoy fantasizing about the mass murder of fellow citizens whose politics they happen not to agree with?

I guess that's why I'm not a libertarian.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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Huh. Do all libertarians enjoy fantasizing about the mass murder of fellow citizens whose politics they happen not to agree with?

I guess that's why I'm not a libertarian.
in this case.."libertarian" aka "trojan horse Republican". Don't fall for it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:02 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Hope North Korea targets CA first.

Rand Paul 2016
That's messed up.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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in this case.."libertarian" aka "trojan horse Republican". Don't fall for it.
CA is a cancer infecting too much of the country, it kills freedom and makes insanity the norm. CO has a fatal case of it these days.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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All of you sound crazy for wanting CA to fail.
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