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Unread 03-11-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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The funny thing is the only ones who dont know what is going on is NASA. LOTS of people have been talking about and predicting a flatline sunspot period.

for several years now, I have read dozens of "Maunder Minimum" type predictions etc.

NASA with typical government aplumb responds a day late and a dollar short. 2 years from now, when the earth has cooled by a half degree, they will be saying that the sun is not cooperating with Global Warming. It will be the blind hog finding a half of a nut.


That is what is sad. A once great institution in the pursuit of science is now just a lackey for political motives.

It isn't that "NASA doesn't know" that is the problem, it is that NASA (or rather figures in NASA) have been sucking on the teat of the organizations reputation to promote activist agenda to serve political points.

All they end up doing is tarnishing that reputation to the point that honest scientific circles refer to the organization in the same respect that they do Ouija boards and Tarot card readers.

As sad as it is, NASA has become much like the "Church" denouncing views of Galileo.

What is that? You do not bow down and worship the Science™ we have proclaimed as truth through consensus? You are nothing more than a Denier™!
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Unread 03-11-2013, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Cherokee Nation
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World temps highest in 4000 years .... Isn't that, isn't that to some, when dinosaurs and people used to run around together?

Global temperatures highest in 4000 years, study says | NDTV.com


Who is Maurice Strong, for a $1000, Alex.....


Go research that guy, if you want some answers.
The World Conservation Bank, would be another.
Look how much Al Gores name comes up.
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Unread 03-11-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island, New York
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The following link shows what NASA says (could) happen because of global warming.
A Chilling Possibility - NASA Science

But since republicans believe that the worlds scientists (are involved in a communist plot to turn everyone into communists) republicans believe that the worlds scientists are lying about global warming.


If you listen to Fox news and Rush radio, you already know about this communist conspiracy plot.


Republicans believe that government, academia, science, and media can no longer be trusted (because they are part of a communist conspiracy plot.)

They believe Fox news and Rush radio are Americas only trusted sources of information.

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A study in the March 8th issue of Science has shown that "the last century stands out as the anomaly in this record of global temperature since the end of the last ice age. The research shows that we’ve experienced almost the same range of temperature change since the beginning of the industrial revolution as over the previous 11,000 years of Earth history—but this change happened a lot more quickly."



Read more at Study Shows Mother Earth Heading Toward Highest Temperatures in Human History by End Century - ICTMN.com

A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years
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Preliminary data for February 2013 show CO2 levels last month standing at their highest ever recorded at Manua Loa, Hawaii.


Large rise in CO2 emissions
and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming

the globe evolves..the global enviroment changes..periodicly...there have been WARMER TIMES..there have been cooler times..there have been times when C02 was MUCH, MUCH higher

science shows that humans use oxygen and expele (exhale) co2

science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expeles o2

science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325 of today is is much lower than the 750-10000 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush furtile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that greenland was once a green lush furtile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of graciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER...around 700-1500ppm compared to the current 320ppm


The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. CO2 enriched plants grow rapidly and must also be supplied with the other five "essential elements" to ensure proper development and a plentiful harvest.



science shows As CO2 is a critical component of growth, plants in environments with inadequate CO2 levels - below 225 ppm - will cease to grow or produce.

SCIENCE shows that plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration



common sense states that as the earths polulation expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.............yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


why do liberals DENY science???...because with the science they cant get their TAX..so they manipulate the science
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Unread 03-11-2013, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island, New York
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You saying it was a whitewash makes it a whitewash?

Recent heat spike unlike anything in 11,000 years - Yahoo! News
historical record tells us of many warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have bedevilled humans for thousands of years.

The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue, "Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea."

In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on, creating deserts where the land was once productive.

Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and nations.

Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.

In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in greatest abundance."

In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around 900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the sea made transportation more difficult.

The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again started to fall. By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow, fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the 19th century.

Since then, we have been in a warming cycle that appears to have accelerated around 1950. The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before another cooling trend comes along.




you see the problem,,we are not saying that there is no such thing as global warming/cooling...we are saying that it is a NATURAL OCCURANCE.....The simple FACT is, to say its 'man-made' is just a LIE...do we humans help/hinder it...certainly..but we are not the CAUSE
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Unread 03-12-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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I'd like to see these people saying that when I'm out scraping my car off when it snows every single night I have to go to work.
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Unread 03-17-2013, 06:39 AM
 
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Well, it appears the Marcott hockey stick is shaping up to be just as ridiculous as the Mann hockey stick. McIntyre is working on it, eventually I am sure he will find all the issues with it, but so far, this one is a pretty serious flaw in their methodology.

The Marcott-Shakun Dating Service « Climate Audit

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Marcott, Shakun, Clark and Mix did not use the published dates for ocean cores, instead substituting their own dates. The validity of Marcott-Shakun re-dating will be discussed below, but first, to show that the re-dating “matters” (TM-climate science), here is a graph showing reconstructions using alkenones (31 of 73 proxies) in Marcott style, comparing the results with published dates (red) to results with Marcott-Shakun dates (black). As you see, there is a persistent decline in the alkenone reconstruction in the 20th century using published dates, but a 20th century increase using Marcott-Shakun dates. (It is taking all my will power not to make an obvious comment at this point.)

Obviously the details need to be ironed out, methods verified, etc... but it isn't looking good for them.

We will have to wait for the complete analysis before any real conclusions can be made, but this may be another drive by press paper that later turns out to pseudo-science garbage that gets retracted.

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Unread 03-20-2013, 07:14 AM
 
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Yep, Marcott et al is going down in flames.

Hiding the Decline: MD01-2421 « Climate Audit

Bent Their Core Tops In « Climate Audit



Science will have to retract it eventually. Though count on its retraction having little to no mention in the media.
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Unread 03-20-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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Spring is days away! Bring on the heat!
I hate being cold.
No kidding, we woke up this fine spring day to 4 degrees F.

The highest in 4,000 years? The guy is out to lunch.
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Unread 03-20-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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Spring is days away! Bring on the heat!
I hate being cold.
Warmer temps are wonderful. Now maybe those uninhabitable northern states will become attractive. Maybe we will see millions moving from FL and TX back to WI, CT, etc.

BTW, who did those measurements 4000 years ago? Do you think they had thermometers in parking lots by AC compressors back then?
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Unread 03-20-2013, 07:54 AM
 
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Yep, Marcott et al is going down in flames.

Hiding the Decline: MD01-2421 « Climate Audit

Bent Their Core Tops In « Climate Audit



Science will have to retract it eventually. Though count on its retraction having little to no mention in the media.
My friend, it is wose than we thought! LOL!

Where is Florida Bob? Since he felt the need to let us all know just how hot it was, maybe he needs to start a new thread explaining how completley incompetant the scientists he trusted is.

Marcott just may be more unethical than Michael Mann! Splicing instrumental data onto reconstruction data and not telling anyone?

For all you members of the church of CAGW, please tell me why your preists (scientists) have to lie in their scientific research so much?
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