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Old 03-10-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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Almost 90 million people not in the labor force in a population of 300 million. I'm assuming this doesn't count people on the dole right? Add people on the dole and you get a scary picture.
Yet -- the liberals want to add in many millions of unskilled workers and welfare recipents. The big amnesty and subsequent family reunification is going to add many millions of new people.

Yet the only topic on the Sunday news talk shows was how to get this big immigration push going. Jeb Bush said America needs these millions of illegals coming in to do those jobs Americans won't do. The one thing the democrats and republican leaders agree on is the need to bring in many millions of indigent unskilled laborers.

We would not need these millions of newcomers if Americans were willing to work.

We've got politicians who have decided the way to go is to destroy the middle class taxpayers by keeping a very large number of Americans unemployed and make the taxpayers support them all and at the same time encourage ever massive immigration and also have the same taxpayers pay to support them.

The elites sure do love their cheap labor.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Instead of getting POed, complain about longstanding government policies that do not hinder outsourcing. Complain about Republicans in Congress who campaigned on "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs," then refused to pass Obama's jobs bill that would have added 1,000,000 jobs.
I'm still POed about Clinton signing NAFTA even after he was told what would happen

Oh I might add I believe this is what broke Unions which I'm a Life Long Member.

brushrunner
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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How old is she? After 50 - it IS hard to find employment in most corporations, especially for women. I don't kid myself about that and it's why I still have the job I have and haven't gone looking for greener pastures. Usually that's something I do about every 5 years!

That isn't something that just developed under Obama's administration, though.
She is 56 and has never quit a Job or been fired,they all left the country even her last Job,Haliburton filling Military Contracts.

brushrunner
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Inflation is about the Fed's target of 2% annually.

I'd love Rand Paul to get the GOP nomination in 2016. That's a Democratic wet dream.
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Apparently is your wet dream since you guys always have to mention something about him and can't stay in topic.

It's higher than 2% too.




Rand Paul 2016
It wasn't me who brought it up. You opened the door when you said "Rand Paul 2016."

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Old 03-10-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's hard to tell what's happening anymore. We do have an ever aging workforce, and many are slowly entering retirement. At the same time, libs are slow to acknowledge that wages/benefits ain't what they used to be, growth has been minimal, and America just isn't looking like the shining beacon of hope any more. Hope and change seems to be nothing more than empty promises wrapped in communist tenancies.
The number of people who were at least 65 grew by 15% between 2000-2010. Begining in 2011, 10,000 people a day turn 65 and will continue to do so for the next 20 years.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Quit looking for work.Most I know their Unemployment ran out so they are no longer counted.My Son just called the other day saying he is getting a 50% Cut in pay.

My wife was looking for work and was told at her age she might as well retire because of her age she was Unemployable.This POed me considering her Education and her willingness to work and being told this BS.Oh she did Retire.

Yea all is good.Right!

brushrunner
Back when, Reagan was the first to consider military service and PT as employed. He also ceased to count anyone who was unemployed after 2 years.

According to this article begining in 2010, unemployed were counted for a full 5 years, even though benefits long since expired.

U.S. changes how it measures long-term unemployment - USATODAY.com
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's a little ironic that Obama keeps extending unemployment handouts but keeps encouraging corporations and businesses to hire illegals -- and will not prosecute these crimes.
I do not recall either party clamoring to begin to scale back on unemployment benefits.

Can you provide a credible link that demonstrates Obama encouraging corporations and busineses to hire undocumented workers, please.

The following seems to contradict your perception that the Obama Admin has ceased to prosecute employment of undocumented workers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/us...pagewanted=all
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Very interesting. So let me see if I understand this, I think I do.

So as of February 2013 the government admits that there are 89,304,000 "not in the labor force". And according to the stats Mircea gave, and knowing Mircea as a poster I'm sure they're accurate, there are 53,723,000 people on either Social Security or Social Security Disability as of January 2013.
Good for you for taking the time to challenge views using Critical Thinking.

Just to expound, the BLS derives some of its numbers from data collected through the Census Bureau. The starting figure is always LNU00000000 which is the Civilian Non-Institutional Population Over 16 Years. Non-Institutional means not incarcerated, or not confined to a nursing home, convalescent facility, rehabilitation facility (of any type) or mental facility. That number is....

244,828,000

...and is based upon current population growth trends.

The next figure we're interested in is LNU01000000. This number is determined through the household telephone survey conducted through the Census Bureau (whom I believe contracts the work out to Gallup), and it represents the number of people who are in the Civilian Labor Force. In order to be counted as part of the Civilian Labor Force, a survey respondent must answer "Yes" to both of the following questions:

1] Are you available to work? -- A "YES" answer automatically puts you in the Civilian Non-Institutional Population Over 16 (LNU00000000)

2] Do you want to work? --- A "YES" answer puts you into the Civilian Labor Force (LNU01000000)

The Civilian Labor Force is presently...

154,727,000

LNU05000000 is those persons not in the Civilian Labor Force....

244,828,000
154,727,000
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90,201,000

Ooops.

I don't know what to say. I just checked....

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Data extracted on: March 10, 2013 (4:47:48 PM) Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNU05000000

90100
That's wrong.

I'll need to have an RC with some Grand Marnier Natural Cherry and think about that for a bit.

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Data extracted on: March 10, 2013 (4:59:08 PM) Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNU00000000

244828
Series Id: LNU01000000
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Unadj) Civilian Labor Force Level

154727
Uh, it's still wrong. The correct figure for the number of people not in the labor force is: 90,201,000

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Doing the math we would have:

89,304,000-53,723,000=35,581,000
It should actually be...

90,201,000 - 53,723,000 = 36,478,000

The Monthly Statistical Snapshot can be found here...

Monthly Statistical Snapshot, January 2013

...and as I said the numbers for February haven't been released yet.

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So that leaves 35,581,000 million people not covered by employment, Social Security or Social Security Disability.

Now the government keeps giving the number on the news that 12 million Americans are without or in need of employment.
Not so fast there....

The figure reported in LNU03000000 Unemployment Level is 12,500,000.

Just one thing....I gave the Survey Question that gets you into the Civilian Population, and then I gave you the Survey Question that gets you into the Civilian Labor Force. Now, here's the Magic Question that gets you counted as "unemployed"....

3] Have you looked for work in the last 4 weeks?

A ""YES" answer gets you counted as unemployed.

A "NO" answer effectively makes you persona non gratis.

That was the big change in 1994.

Remember, there's a recession. Recessions are caused by inefficiency, in this instance, the inefficient use of Capital which is not being shifted from Defense Sector of the Economy to other Economic Sectors.

The Cold War is over/winding down. All of those BGM-1009G and Pershing II nuclear warheads I delivered have to be yanked out because of the INF Treaty. Reagan and Gorbachev agree on troop reductions and the US is going to deactivate US VII Corps in Germany (along with a maneuver brigade under British control in NORTHAG), and the whole US Army is going to be cut from 770,000 to 365,000.

So the smart thing to do is waste tax payer money...ooops, I'm sorry, the smart thing to do is wisely spend tax payer money to train the US VII Corps (and the Tiger Brigade) in desert warfare operations...by sending them to Turkey to train in the desert on the Turkish-Iraqi border.

Bush is involved in this, he's talking with Gorbachev, and in February 1989, Bush and Gorbachev sign off on the agreement (which is an MOU -- Memorandum of Understanding -- and not an actual Treaty).

So the smart thing to do is to continue to waste tax payer money...ooops, I'm sorry, the smart thing to do is to to continue to wisely spend tax payer money to train the US VII Corps (and the Tiger Brigade) in desert warfare operations...by sending them to Turkey to train in the desert on the Turkish-Iraqi border....

...because 2 years later in February 1991, the US VII Corps and Tiger Brigade are going to help destroy the Iraqi Republican Guard.

Wow, imagine that. Such a fortuitous stroke of luck.

Someone has a very, very nice Crystal Ball™, and I covet it.

Anyway, Clinton's campaign rhetoric was based on "It's the Economy, Stupid!" The Economy fixed itself; neither Clinton nor the government did anything to fix it, but Clinton has to maintain that illusion, which is now going up in a puff of smoke as the Economy slows and the unemployment rate starts climbing.

That means in 1996, Bob Dole is going to be campaigning on, "Yo, Bill, it's the Economy, Stupid, or did your forget?"

In 1994 we asked

3] "Have you looked for work in the last 12 months?"

...and that was changed to...

3] Have you looked for work in the last 4 weeks?

Yes, the employment numbers improved, but even that wasn't even....the sample weight had to be skewed by reducing the number of people surveyed from 60,000 to 50,000 as the links in my previous post prove.

January 5, 2013, you mail out 2 dozen resumes, and then again on January 10, you send out 2 dozens more resumes attached to e-mails.

On February 16, the phone rings.

You pick up the phone, it's a person conducting the Survey... "Have you looked for work in the last 4 weeks?" No, you haven't so you are persona non gratis and not counted as unemployed.....but you would fall into the U-6 groups.

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If we take the 35,581,000 not covered by employment, Social Security or SSDI and subtract that from the 12,000,000 the main stream press says are out of work and in need of employment that would give us 35,581,000-12,000,000=23,581,000.

According to my calculations that would mean over 20 million people are completely unaccounted for because this only includes working age people. Are there 20 million people in college or on welfare for life or are these people just ghosts?

Perhaps this could be an answer:
Making 9 million jobless 'vanish'
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33590.html
Bit of a problem here....you would not subtract the 12.5 Million who are unemployed.

Why? Because they are already part of the Civilian Labor Force.

You needed only to stop with your first equation...

90,201,000 - 53,723,000 = 36,478,000

I'm not really sure what you were trying to look at, but there are two things that might interest you. These are ratios expressed as percentages: Employment-to-Population Ratio and the Labor Force Participation Ratio.

To find the E-Pop Ration, divide Employed by the Civilian Non-Institutional Population

142,228,000 / 244,828,000 = 0.5809 or 58.1%

When you look at the E-Pop Ratios of those States, especially the Euro-States that have "generous" cradle-to-grave welfare programs, including some form of universal health care, their E-Pop Ratios are very low...like in the high 40s or low 50s.

That's because nothing is free...everything costs...and the cost to have those programs is for people to lose their jobs....forever.

The Labor Force Participation Rate is the Labor Force divided by the Civilian Non-Institutional Population.

154,727,000 / 244,828,000 = 0.6319 or 63.2%

And this is what I believe you're look for....from

1987 to 1996 average Labor Force Participation Rate was 66.4%
1997 to 2000 average Labor Force Participation Rate was 67.1%
2001 to 2008 average Labor Force Participation Rate was 66.2%

Relating those to today's numbers that means...

1987 to 1996 average Labor Force = 162,565,792
1997 to 2000 average Labor Force = 164,279,588
2001 to 2008 average Labor Force = 162,076,136
February 2013 Labor Force = 154,727,000

Let's average the Labor Force and find the difference.....162,979,838 - 154,727,000 = 8,252,838

That's the number you have been seeking.

From Table V.C4 on Page 123 of the 2012 Trustees' Report, we get projections of people on OASDI...

2015 9,396,000
2012 8,864,000
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532,000 / 36 months = 14,777 per month

2015 50,451,000
2012 45,998,000
----------------
4453000 / 36 months = 123,694 per month

123,694 + 14,777 = 138,471 per month ------- a far cry from some of the claims people make.

138,471 * 12 = 1,661,652

And that makes your question....

8,252,838 - 1,661,652 = 6,591,186 who represent the Ghosts.

Something else that can be inferred here....~123,694 people are retiring each month.....and how many people are being hired? It would seem no new jobs are being created at all in your economy, rather there's hiring to replace retiring workers and nothing more.

And then how many new people enter the work-force every month?

And then your working age population increased by 165,000 people last month. Here's where we use are numbers....if 63.2% want to work --- because that is the current Labor Force Participation Rate, then...

165,000 * 63.2% = 104,280 representing the number of jobs just to absorb new entrants.

And the adjusted figure was what? 236,000 jobs?

236,000 - 104,280 = 131,720 so anyone wanna guess how long it will take get those 12.5 Million unemployed back to 5% at 131,700 jobs per month?

I hope that helps.

Supernaturally...

Mircea
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:53 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Very interesting. So let me see if I understand this, I think I do.

So as of February 2013 the government admits that there are 89,304,000 "not in the labor force". And according to the stats Mircea gave, and knowing Mircea as a poster I'm sure they're accurate, there are 53,723,000 people on either Social Security or Social Security Disability as of January 2013.

Doing the math we would have:

89,304,000-53,723,000=35,581,000

So that leaves 35,581,000 million people not covered by employment, Social Security or Social Security Disability.

Now the government keeps giving the number on the news that 12 million Americans are without or in need of employment.

If we take the 35,581,000 not covered by employment, Social Security or SSDI and subtract that from the 12,000,000 the main stream press says are out of work and in need of employment that would give us 35,581,000-12,000,000=23,581,000.

According to my calculations that would mean over 20 million people are completely unaccounted for because this only includes working age people. Are there 20 million people in college or on welfare for life or are these people just ghosts?

Perhaps this could be an answer:
Making 9 million jobless 'vanish'
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33590.html

Ghosts...

CK78


not quite

do you really want the numbers????? can you handle them????........they dont help your agenda.....


number of people turning 65 on a DAILY BASIS....10,000
number of poeple turning 18 on a DAILY BASIS....13,000

there are 20,219,890 that are 15-19 in the usa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_th...emocracy_Class


the FACT is you have 13,000 people turning 18 every day..and 10,000 turning 65 every day


so the fact that 10,000 boomer retire everyday is NULLIFIED by the fact that 11,000-13,000 turn 18 every day

and BTW...most boomers are putting retirement off
Study: When Baby-Boomers refuse to retire, they aren’t stealing jobs from younger workers

Baby Boomers Are Pushing Off Retirement for 5 Years, says BoA Merrill Lynch | Von Aldo

Americans Forced to Put Off Retirement: Allstate Survey
I used 3 different sources, so you cant say ''biased like faux"




and while some 18yr old might not work..they are in the WORKING AGE GROUP...and BTW there are many 65 yr olds NOT RETIRING..
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:56 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Inflation is about the Fed's target of 2% annually.

I'd love Rand Paul to get the GOP nomination in 2016. That's a Democratic wet dream.
2%...not even close...way higher

inflation (actual cost inflation vs- the phoney governmwnt numbers) is higher...much higher

if you think inflation is not high...you better go to the store and readjust your numbers

inflation has been near 15% for the last 3 years

look at the prices in the stores

have you benn to the store

prices are going up, and up

coffee is double what it was 4 years ago

coffee up

sugar up

cotton up

corn up

all other vegitable up

all meats up

almost everything us up



REAL INFALTION IS CURRENTLY ABOUT 10-15% or more...unfortuantely the government(from either party) doesnt give us the REAL numbers



it certainly is for every working class person or old person

you think that your utility cost being up is not inlation???

you think your medical/pharm costs being up is not inflation???

you think your clothing costs being up is not inflation???

you think your housing (rent and rela taxes) being up is not inflation???


you think food costs going up is not inflation???

you think building supply costs (ie home depot) being UP is not inflation???


almost EVERYTHING we use has gone up by at least 10% to in some cases 30% in the last 3 years...and you are going to tell me inflation is "only 2% or less"



have you been to the store???...have you SEEN THE PRICES???? milk is nearly $4 a gallon...meats have gone though the roof...in 2004 a 3lb can of coffee was about $3...today its a 2.2lb can of coffee and its $10...over a 300% increase in less than 10 years

sorry you are too blind to see

you certainly do prove that the sheeple are out there for the slaughter

so are you going to tell me YOU BELIEVE the government TELLING YOU that inflation is at 0-3% when PRICES in nearly everything have risen 10-20% or more????

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND...dude



the 'inflation rate' is not REAL INFLATION (ie COST inflation) that real americans (and seniors) feel with almost everything we buy

costs are going up on almost everything..especially food (which is NOT counted in the 'inflation rate')


Junk fish called Tauplia which was selling in 2008 for 1.28 a pound is now close to 6.00(and more) a pound...Catfish that averaged between 3.49 and 3.99 at 6.50 plus.... Not just one store, they are all similar in price. Paper towels are highway robbery.....deli ham/turkey which I used to get for 2-4 a pound...now 6-9 a pound


last Thanksgiving,,Sweet potatoes they were 49 cent/pound...now $1.79/pound

breyers icecream HALF GALLON, was (2008) 2for 5...now its 1.5 quarts and its 4 or 5/each

Even cooking oil 48 fl oz... went from $2.99 (reg. p about 6 months ago) to $3.69 (sale)... from $4.29 (reg. price).
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