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Free speech does not exist in the West either - there are always limits.
That's pedantic
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Ever watched Fox news, CNN or BBC24 - pure propaganda!
Chavez rightly did away with his own local versions of this kind of tripe.
"Rightly" is your opinion. Others, like me, think people should be free to express their opinions even if they are tripe. So I don't think he rightly did away with them. I think it was authoritarian and a violation of individual rights.
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and have you forgotten that he was DEMOCRATICALLY elected in October last year?
What does that tell you?
1. You can't be democratically elected in any realistic sense of the word when you have shut down opposing political speech, as you already admitted he did
I have many friends from Venezuela that cried when Chavez won re-election because they said their country used to be great, but Chavez came in and basically destroyed the middle class and upper class and gave it to the poor, which ended up turning their country into a ****hole and essentially made everyone poor with a few very wealthy.
so how do your friends feel about the fact that Chavez gave the poor housing, a health service, education, food etc..?
that's terrible right because some rich folk lost their mansions
Yes it is a bad thing. Many conservatives do not share the liberal "the ends justify the means" philosophy. If he did something that helped people but he used illegitimate means of accomplishing it, then it was still bad.
Illegitimate means you say - such as what.
The guy was elected for 14 years.
how illegitimate is that?
Why are there millions out on the streets of Caracas mourning his loss?
Millions I said, not handfuls in the golf clubs of California cheering his demise.
People make the nation, the mass of the people - not the crooked elite.
We {the USA} should just purchase their oil at fair market value, and leave them alone to sort out their own problems. That's the problem with America now, we always become embroiled into someone else's problems. Is it no wonder people in the ME hate us?
"Rightly" is your opinion. Others, like me, think people should be free to express their opinions even if they are tripe. So I don't think he rightly did away with them. I think it was authoritarian and a violation of individual rights.
A violation of individual rights?
so how do you feel about the situation of the populous before Chavez came to power?
Enslaved by vile elites - true S. American crony aristocracies.
The history of Latin America is littered with these vile elites, nearly always supported by the Republican bigots and criminals.
We {the USA} should just purchase their oil at fair market value, and leave them alone to sort out their own problems. That's the problem with America now, we always become embroiled into someone else's problems. Is it no wonder people in the ME hate us?
good post,
but it will never happen - the Republican ****ers will try to steal their oil in the name of Freedom!
"Rightly" is your opinion. Others, like me, think people should be free to express their opinions even if they are tripe. So I don't think he rightly did away with them. I think it was authoritarian and a violation of individual rights.
1. You can't be democratically elected in any realistic sense of the word when you have shut down opposing political speech, as you already admitted he did
Never been a fan of Chavez, don't think he's as bad as some like to paint him to be though, I mean there are a lot worse out there that don't get demonized as much, but since this guy claims to be for socialism the right despises him more.
I have friends that are more eager to get behind people that speak out against imposed economic imperialism and turn more of a blind eye to their authoritarianism or even worse justify it, that is very dangerous to me, that's how dictatorships are enabled. I don't even get behind any head of state, I mean I don't think Evo Morales is bad but I don't go singing his praises, he's a head of state I'm sure he's done his dirt too, that's a structural problem with centralized power hierarchies like that and that's not the way I believe in. i Believe in handling things at the grassroots level as much as possible, using participatory democracy instead of representative "democracy", call me an idealist or unrealistic but it did work on a fairly large scale with the Haudenosaunee, and I prefer to keep my beliefs and criticize hypocrisy. I see it in both the left and right.
Funny thing about conservatives wishing to stop democracy, they have. United States right wingers have overthrown democratically elected heads of state such as Arbenz and Mossadegh for messing with the corporate holdings of foreign companies, and replaced them with more authoritarian right wing administrations. Arbenz for example instituted a land reform that messed with the land holdings of the United Fruit Company (that gained the land through the cronyism of the former administration) and in turn the US overthrew him and installed a military junta in it's place. Similar situation with Mossadegh, only with oil, and installing the Shah. It's also postulated that the US played an active role in Allende's coup d'etat, which seems even with right wingers I've talked to, very likely. Pinochet was installed and the Chicago boys helped him with his economic operations. I've seen right wingers praise the regimes that these coups birthed and turned a blind eye towards the authoritarianism in them, or even not seeing a problem with the authoritarianism.
Chavez wasn't even in the top 10 of worst South American dictators.
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