Why do Conservatives wish to stop democracy in Venezuela? (Iraq, salaries, health care)
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We are talking about Venezuela here, a country that is not as developed as many of the Western nations.
Bearing this in mind, we must remember that pure liberty, freedom of speech is a luxury item, facilitated by great wealth. These options are not always the best play for poorer nations.
some authoritarianism is necessary when there is a lower level of general education.
Chavez did what he had to do.
I suggest you take a trip around the barrios of Caracas and tell the locals what a bad old chap Hugo was.
Perhaps we can then all cheer at your funeral
Please tell my Uncle Bill that lost his life in the Luzon Is. PI in 1945 that his death was for a "luxury item".
The illegitimate comment didn't apply to whether or not he was genuinely supported by his people. It applied to whether his methods weren't simply stealing from one person to give to another person, and whether he was truly concerned about people or just buying them off.
Chavez nationalized the oil industry. Nationalized means stole. The fact that you like the new ownership of the industry better than the old does not change that. So that's what I meant. If he did great things with money, but only had that money to begin with because he seized it by force, then I call him a crook. Doesn't matter what he did with the money. It was dirty money. He was just a charitable crook instead of a purely selfish crook.
Well, lots of very bad people have very large numbers of supporters. That's not evidence of someone being a good person.
You're assuming that the oil companies negotiated fairly in the first place, that is not the case. I guess he could have continued to allow them to continue for the next 50 years or negotiate a new deal, surely that the oil companies would have given him a great price for their own resources.
What bad leaders have large numbers of supporters other than North Korea?
You're assuming that the oil companies negotiated fairly in the first place, that is not the case. I guess he could have continued to allow them to continue for the next 50 years or negotiate a new deal, surely that the oil companies would have given him a great price for their own resources.
What bad leaders have large numbers of supporters other than North Korea?
The
extrordinary that some people believe the long suffering people of venezuela should grin and bare their lot just so some deal between exxon mobil and some former washington puppett in caracas who ran to florida after selling out his nations assetts in some crooked backroom deal , be honoured
the poor in america ( who vote republican ) might be masochistic when it comes to their attitudes towards the wealthy elite but dont expect venezuelans to follow suit
extrordinary that some people believe the long suffering people of venezuela should grin and bare their lot just so some deal between exxon mobil and some former washington puppett in caracas who ran to florida after selling out his nations assetts in some crooked backroom deal , be honoured
the poor in america ( who vote republican ) might be masochistic when it comes to their attitudes towards the wealthy elite but dont expect venezuelans to follow suit
It wasn't treatment of oil companies or the wealthy that brings me the most concern...it the treatment of all venezuelans. It is sited all the good done for the "poor" that Chavez provided, yet those people turn a blind eye to the restricitions of rights put on all Venezuelans...poor and wealthy.
Provide basic needs, but dont restrict basic rights.
note: If Chavez modrenized Venezuela, why is health care so poor that he was unable to recieve modren medical attention in his own country. With all the petrodollars flowing...A modren Health care system should be a fundamental.
It wasn't treatment of oil companies or the wealthy that brings me the most concern...it the treatment of all venezuelans. It is sited all the good done for the "poor" that Chavez provided, yet those people turn a blind eye to the restricitions of rights put on all Venezuelans...poor and wealthy.
Provide basic needs, but dont restrict basic rights.
note: If Chavez modrenized Venezuela, why is health care so poor that he was unable to recieve modren medical attention in his own country. With all the petrodollars flowing...A modren Health care system should be a fundamental.
their are dozens of nations around the world which have far worse human rights records than venezuela , many of them allies of the the u.s , saudi arabia being the most obvious yet you dont hear fox news trash the house of saud
their are dozens of nations around the world which have far worse human rights records than venezuela , many of them allies of the the u.s , saudi arabia being the most obvious yet you dont hear fox news trash the house of saud
What is it with Conservatives, true democracy and the poor?
Conservatives hate both.
Many Conservatives on this forum have cheered the death of Chavez - a true believer in freedom and equality.
He helped the poor with his 'sistema' construct, free education, health, housing and the like.
yet this is supposed to be a bad thing - WTF?
so now what are the options?
Seems as if the right are intent on taking the opportunity to try to:
1. Rape Venezuela and its people for their oil and wealth
2. Force in a rightist leader of their choosing to make the people pay for having socialism
3. Destroy democracy (yet again) in a foreign nation.
4. Bring in Friedman-style economic pillage to the region to benefit the rich (yet again)
5. Gush over poster boy Catholic Capriles as the saviour of the people (please - no more religious bigots needed thanks)
So why do Conservatives hate democracy and the poor so much?
Why do Conservative leaders hate democratically elected leaders? (Chavez)
Chavez was a disaster. Venezuala became one of the most violent countries in the world with 20 000 murders per year. It is also not true democracy when people are afraid to vote for other candidates than Chavez.
I hope the centrist guy Enrique wins in April. The VP guy, Maduro, is a commie, just like Chavez, and his claim that Obama injected Chavez with cancer proves his is a complete fool.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 03-10-2013 at 08:33 AM..
their are dozens of nations around the world which have far worse human rights records than venezuela , many of them allies of the the u.s , saudi arabia being the most obvious yet you dont hear fox news trash the house of saud
I denounce all those dozens and Chavez' Venezuela equally. Venzuela is the topic because of Chavez' death.
Saudi Arabia is not a democracy and Chavez' Venezuela was not a Kingdom. I can care less one iota Fox news' opinion on anything, but I defend their right to give their opinion.
Complete and utter propoganda, muchh less, BS. Your keyboard is an endless fount of garbage. You are blinded by your hatred of sucecess, propsperity and freedom, so you embrace all that is contrary to those.
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