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Old 03-09-2013, 01:27 AM
 
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What is it with Conservatives, true democracy and the poor?

Conservatives hate both.

Many Conservatives on this forum have cheered the death of Chavez - a true believer in freedom and equality.

He helped the poor with his 'sistema' construct, free education, health, housing and the like.

yet this is supposed to be a bad thing - WTF?

so now what are the options?

Seems as if the right are intent on taking the opportunity to try to:

1. Rape Venezuela and its people for their oil and wealth

2. Force in a rightist leader of their choosing to make the people pay for having socialism

3. Destroy democracy (yet again) in a foreign nation.

4. Bring in Friedman-style economic pillage to the region to benefit the rich (yet again)

5. Gush over poster boy Catholic Capriles as the saviour of the people (please - no more religious bigots needed thanks)

So why do Conservatives hate democracy and the poor so much?

Why do Conservative leaders hate democratically elected leaders? (Chavez)

 
Old 03-09-2013, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda View Post
Why do Conservative leaders hate democratically elected leaders? (Chavez)
Adolf Hitler was democratically elected - are you asking why conservatives oppose his regime?
 
Old 03-09-2013, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Why do Conservative leaders hate democratically elected leaders? (Chavez)
America is not a democracy, we are a republic. The greatest nation in history railed against democracy!

Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.


This is a Complete Fail!

No soup for you!
 
Old 03-09-2013, 01:50 AM
 
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Adolf Hitler was democratically elected - are you asking why conservatives oppose his regime?
that's been discussed in the other thread about Chavez, and proved to be highly dubious.

And also, Hitler was a mass murderer - Chavez was not.

Yet, I'm sure many conservatives would love to destroy his party and nation.

why is that do you think?
 
Old 03-09-2013, 01:57 AM
 
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America is not a democracy, we are a republic. The greatest nation in history railed against democracy!

This is a Complete Fail!

No soup for you!
I have no interest in a debate over semantics.
 
Old 03-09-2013, 01:58 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Many Conservatives on this forum have cheered the death of Chavez - a true believer in freedom and equality.
Your fibs would be much more convincing if we didn't live in an age of freely accessible information. His abuses have been documented by many sources.

Venezuela: Chávez

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In 2004, Chávez and his followers in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of Venezuela’s Supreme Court, adding 12 seats to what had been a 20-seat tribunal, and filling them with government supporters. The packed Supreme Court ceased to function as a check on presidential power. Lower-court judges have faced intense pressure not to issue rulings that could upset the government.
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Under Chávez, the government dramatically expanded its ability to control the content of the country’s broadcast and news media. It passed laws extending and toughening penalties for speech that “offends” government officials, prohibiting the broadcast of messages that “foment anxiety in the public,” and allowing for the arbitrary suspension of TV channels, radio stations, and websites.
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In response to negative coverage, Chávez repeatedly threatened to remove private stations from the airwaves by blocking renewal of their broadcast licenses. In 2007, in an act of blatant political discrimination, his government prevented the country’s oldest private television channel, RCTV, from renewing its license and seized its broadcasting antennas. Three years later, it drove RCTV off cable TV as well by forcing the country’s cable providers to stop transmitting its programs.
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The Chávez government also sought to block international organizations from monitoring the country’s human rights practices. In 2008, the president had representatives of Human Rights Watch forcibly detained and summarily expelled from the country after they released a report documenting his government’s violation of human rights norms. Following the expulsion, his then-foreign minister and now chosen successor, Nicolás Maduro, announced that, “Any foreigner who comes to criticize our country will be immediately expelled.”
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Chávez also rejected international efforts to promote human rights in other countries. In recent years, Venezuela consistently voted against UN General Assembly resolutions condemning abusive practices in North Korea, Burma, Iran, and Syria. Moreover, Chávez was a vocal supporter of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi, and Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, bestowing upon each of these leaders the “Order of the Liberator,” Venezuela’s highest official honor.
 
Old 03-09-2013, 02:02 AM
 
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Free speech does not exist in the West either - there are always limits.

Ever watched Fox news, CNN or BBC24 - pure propaganda!

Chavez rightly did away with his own local versions of this kind of tripe.

and have you forgotten that he was DEMOCRATICALLY elected in October last year?

What does that tell you?
 
Old 03-09-2013, 02:50 AM
 
Location: US
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Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda View Post
What is it with Conservatives, true democracy and the poor?

Conservatives hate both.

Many Conservatives on this forum have cheered the death of Chavez - a true believer in freedom and equality.

He helped the poor with his 'sistema' construct, free education, health, housing and the like.

yet this is supposed to be a bad thing - WTF?

so now what are the options?

Seems as if the right are intent on taking the opportunity to try to:

1. Rape Venezuela and its people for their oil and wealth

2. Force in a rightist leader of their choosing to make the people pay for having socialism

3. Destroy democracy (yet again) in a foreign nation.

4. Bring in Friedman-style economic pillage to the region to benefit the rich (yet again)

5. Gush over poster boy Catholic Capriles as the saviour of the people (please - no more religious bigots needed thanks)

So why do Conservatives hate democracy and the poor so much?

Why do Conservative leaders hate democratically elected leaders? (Chavez)
I have many friends from Venezuela that cried when Chavez won re-election because they said their country used to be great, but Chavez came in and basically destroyed the middle class and upper class and gave it to the poor, which ended up turning their country into a ****hole and essentially made everyone poor with a few very wealthy. I believe them over the media. Hitler was adored by most Germans too. Kim Jong Il was also adored by most North Koreans too.

disclaimer: I'm a Democrat and I'm happy Chavez received his karma
 
Old 03-09-2013, 03:05 AM
 
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What is it with Conservatives, true democracy and the poor?

Conservatives hate both.
In your opinion, maybe. But since I am a conservative and I hate neither, your opinion is therefore false.

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Many Conservatives on this forum have cheered the death of Chavez - a true believer in freedom and equality.
Yes, they have. Many liberals cheered the death of Andrew Breitbart too. People tend to do that. When an opposing person is gone, they are happy about that. I am not one of those people myself. I made a post expressing my sympathy for his supporters' loss.

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He helped the poor with his 'sistema' construct, free education, health, housing and the like.

yet this is supposed to be a bad thing - WTF?
Yes it is a bad thing. Many conservatives do not share the liberal "the ends justify the means" philosophy. If he did something that helped people but he used illegitimate means of accomplishing it, then it was still bad.

Additionally, you are listing a few of his accomplishments and saying "this is supposed to be a bad thing?" which is a logical fallacy. Person A did action B, Person C doesn't like Person A, therefore Person C doesn't like action B. That's a conclusion that does not follow. Just because they don't like him doesn't mean they dislike each and every thing he ever did.

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so now what are the options?

Seems as if the right are intent on taking the opportunity to try to:

1. Rape Venezuela and its people for their oil and wealth

2. Force in a rightist leader of their choosing to make the people pay for having socialism

3. Destroy democracy (yet again) in a foreign nation.

4. Bring in Friedman-style economic pillage to the region to benefit the rich (yet again)

5. Gush over poster boy Catholic Capriles as the saviour of the people (please - no more religious bigots needed thanks)
I see you claiming the right is intent on doing those things. I don't see anybody actually on the right claiming to be intent on doing those things.

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So why do Conservatives hate democracy and the poor so much?
This is another fallacy. It's the famous "so when did you stop beating your wife?" thing. You're begging the question by assuming that conservatives do hate democracy and the poor. Which, as I said, since I am a conservative and do not hate those things, is an incorrect assumption.

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Why do Conservative leaders hate democratically elected leaders? (Chavez)
Same thing again. "so when did you stop beating your wife?"
 
Old 03-09-2013, 03:08 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda View Post
that's been discussed in the other thread about Chavez, and proved to be highly dubious.

And also, Hitler was a mass murderer - Chavez was not.

Yet, I'm sure many conservatives would love to destroy his party and nation.

why is that do you think?
Why would anybody want to destroy his nation? No conservative I know wants to destroy any nation. We just want them to embrace freedom.

Now it's true some want them to embrace freedom by force even if they don't want it.

But nobody I know wants to destroy them.
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