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It looks like Illinois has a slight edge over Minnesota, but there is a good chance Minnesota could be first. The "priceless" part of the Minnesota vote will be Michele Bachmann's reaction when it passes!! (The best part of that is she has no vote as she represents MN at the federal level...not at the state level).
I appreciate what you say too, but haven't we always been a nation of laws? If we waited for people to vote on which rights that certain people in this country should enjoy, we WOULD be a lesser country. Blacks would still be segregated, not allowed to vote, afforded equal housing or intermarry. Women would not be allowed to vote or own property. Churches should not have to marry same sex couples if they choose not to, but leave the civil right of marrying to the couples that wish to enter regardless of sexual orientation. How does Rand Paul feel about this? Is he really a racist or is that just the media saying so?
Good post. Laws are definitely needed in society. And I agree that laws have paved the way. Isn't it interesting though, that no law has made us acceptable to same-sex marriage though? We've grown and become acceptable to one another as a society.
Up until not too long ago, we were still told/taught otherwise. Just shows what we can achieve.
None - if there is a shred of sanity left in this republic.
Is it sanity (or morally acceptable) for an extremely violent ex con (male)who has seriously damaged society in general and some individual(s) in particular to be able to marry a woman upon release, but we deny the right to a law abiding gay couple who have been productive members of society. That is actually insanity. The sane approach is to eliminate the bigotry (and btw, it does not affect your marriage).
Good post. Laws are definitely needed in society. And I agree that laws have paved the way. Isn't it interesting though, that no law has made us acceptable to same-sex marriage though? We've grown and become acceptable to one another as a society.
Up until not too long ago, we were still told/taught otherwise. Just shows what we can achieve.
Rand Paul 2016
????? We have indeed had laws that has made marriage equality more acceptable. Most of the states that have enacted marriage equality did so legislatively except for Iowa, Vermont and Massachusetts. They've been slow baby steps, but the laws passed in those states have helped to legitimize the fight and propel more americans to "evolve" on the issue.
????? We have indeed had laws that has made marriage equality more acceptable. Most of the states that have enacted marriage equality did so legislatively except for Iowa, Vermont and Massachusetts. They've been slow baby steps, but the laws passed in those states have helped to legitimize the fight and propel more americans to "evolve" on the issue.
True. But I think despite what we were taught/told growing up, we've gone further than the laws have allowed us. If that makes sense.?
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Making a law forcing States to legalize it, is forcing a law on the that oppose it. They will not have the right to choose.
Leaving it up to the State is really not a big deal anyway since eventually every State will allow it. Eventually the people that oppose it will become a minority.
Let people have the right to choose until then.
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I call it enforcing the Constitution. States shouldn't be allowed to choose to codify invidious discrimination.
How does Rand Paul feel about this? Is he really a racist or is that just the media saying so?
Rand Paul thinks the Feds should stay out of marriage(and abortion and drugs) and left to the States to decide.
He's not racist. Thats just the media(Rachel Maddow) misconstruing what he said. Ron Paul and Rand Paul have been labeled racists because they do not like the Civil Rights Act in it's current form. He does not want it repealed like some believe. He thinks it needs to be amended because it currently leaves the door open for discrimination. He opposes discrimination of any kind.
I can't remember the exact example he used on Rachel's show but i'll try get close.
Let's say a business owner opens up a old-skool cigar bar but it's open to whites only. Under the Civil Rights Act that would be illegal. Looking past the racial aspects(and despite being morally wrong), he sees that as discrimination against the business owner for not being able to run a business the way he(the business owner) seems fit.
Remember, Ron and Rand Paul believe in a Laissez-Faire economy. A true free market with minimal(not NO) regulations. In such an economy, the business is regulated mostly by the consumer and through supply and demand.
Said cigar bar will never prosper to its fullest abilities and will likely close down due to consumer protest for it's immoral practices. But the owner would be free to opening such a business and will get no govt. help if/when it fails.
And while being open to whites, the business still wouldn't be allowed to deny employment to a black person based on race. That would be discrimination which is protected under the Civil Rights Act.
The same example could apply to a male only bar or a female only bar or gays, straights, muslim....etc.
It was a sh***y example he used. One that could easily be twisted, misconstrued or misunderstood.
It was, and he paid the price. And still is.
Hope I explained it easy enough. Kind of hard to translate.
Honestly, this is a hard one. I mean, who would have thought Iowa would be a leader of the nation in this issue and California would be a loser. I chose Colorado over Illinois, simply because I picture the farmlands slow to come around. But, then again, Iowa did it!
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