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Old 03-13-2013, 07:19 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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I would consider this post a blatant disregard for the "special High Standards"

blacks don't respect education as a group?
It seems to me that he's agreeing with Bill Cosby's views on the problems in the AA community. And btw, the Cos is black.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:31 AM
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The most common path to the NBA involves going to college.
Do you really want to go there? Colleges recruit and give athletic scholarships based on the student's athletic skills and talents, not their academic credentials. So once at college, these star athletes need a barrage of tutors to keep up their grades in the easy academic classes that they sign up for... and even then it's a struggle for them to graduate with a degree. But they don't care, all their attention is focused on that brass ring, a contract with a pro sports team.

NCAA Exploits Black Male Athletes : Outkick The Coverage

African-American athlete graduations in power conferences reveal weak rates - ESPN

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PHILADELPHIA -- A report released through the University of Pennsylvania's Graduate School of Education shows that most of the schools in the NCAA's six major sports conferences have weak graduation rates for African-American male student-athletes.
Basically, athletic talent gets these kids into college, but they are there to win games for the schools and get a pro contract, but while there, there is little focus on their academic education.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Has nothing to do with disappearing jobs. You can start your research here:

How Home Ownership Keeps Blacks Poorer Than Whites - Forbes
Very informative article.

But boy does it make me sad.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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The number one issue is lack of demand. I dare say most non-Blacks and a significant portion of Black people have no interest in living in majority Black areas.

Two- Blacks fail to generate much private economic opportunity. We are good at spending money but starting businesses that generate wealth not so much.

Three- the conditions Black create. Politically they'll vote for people who are basically socialists and support confiscatory taxation and anti- business policies.

Socially- Black culture de-emphasizes education thus the schools they attend mostly become subpar as a result also the high rate of violent crime further reduces demand, scares off businesses etc.

I'd be very careful investing in the areas you suggest. Confining my investment to areas that despite the ills are close to major job centers, transportation etc.
I tend to agree with all of this. But I am most curious about the bolded line. Its something I don't quite understand but would look to learn more about it. It seems to be one of the biggest issues with our black community and specifically young black males.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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It seems to me that he's agreeing with Bill Cosby's views on the problems in the AA community. And btw, the Cos is black.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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It seems to me that he's agreeing with Bill Cosby's views on the problems in the AA community. And btw, the Cos is black.
And you are backing up your argument by agreeing with a Black man who got into college on an athletic scholarship?

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Old 03-13-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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White flight has pretty much everything to do with it. It started because of overcrowding and pollution, not just jobs disappearing (because many, MANY people work in the cities but live in the suburbs). But because African-Americans have, on average, lower income levels than white people (the reasons for this are multifaceted and go back all the way to Jim Crow laws and discrimination after the end of slavery), many of them can't "also move," especially when the white flight has been mostly to affluent suburbs with very high home prices.

So it becomes a compounding problem. Rich (mostly white) people move, leaving behind abandoned homes that lose value until they are either unlivable or purchased by poor (mostly Black and Hispanic) people. Tax money dries up, schools have to be closed, infrastructure falls apart. Until then even less wealthy people want anything to do with the place. As a former Cleveland resident whose family moved down south (we are white, but we certainly aren't rich) I've experienced the effect a shrinking population has on a city personally.
I disagree with your entire opinion.

I'll give mine.

A little about my background first.

Both of my parents grew up in Wash, D.C middle class neighborhoods and went to DC schools.

It started with Johnson's "Great Society". He built large Gov't Housing projects. There was NO residency requirements to get welfare of to get a place in those housing projects.

Many poor un-educated blacks (through no fault of there own) found a better life in the northern cities and moved there.

Those that lived near the projects, and NO they were NOT rich, saw crime rise, no pride in taking care of their housing, school problems, no respect, bad language etc., increasing, etc. so they started to move away from the problems.

There weren't enough Project so they started Section 8 housing come in. as neighborhoods deteriorated people moved out.

A trickle became a snowball. Property values decreased. People moved out afraid their property value would be worth less the longer they stayed. As the tax paying base left taxes went up. It became a cycle.

As people who worked for those small businesses left businesses couldn't get good help anymore. The customer base eroded. the poor couldn't afford their services.

Taxes went up more, More businesses left.

Eventually because of rising taxes, crime and undesirable neighborhoods, most middle class people left and businesses closed up leaving mostly uneducated poor living on welfare.

Slum landlords buy up the housing at cheap prices and rent them out. Renters don't take csre of their housing and eventually they move out leaving boarded up houses.

The rot spreads.

The deterioration has been going on ever since and we have what you see today.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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And yet if one looks at the principal cities:
Glenarden: 90%+ black, pretty poor
Bowier: 40% black, pretty well to do
College Park: 14% black, not well to do
District Heights: 90% black, not well to do
So on.

Some of those 90% black cities/towns they obviously have the resources to live in a non nearly exclusively black neighborhood if they wanted to. Same with College Park or one of the other white areas.

And Calvery County is in the middle of nowhere which probably has more to do with it having low property values than anything else.
The further away you get from ANY city, the property values decrease, except in waterfront areas which Calvert CO. has plenty.

Calvert CO is NOT "in the middle of nowhere". The vast majority of people used to work in the D.C are and commute. You don't commute to the "middle of nowhere".

Since the first BRAC and the building of the Solomon's Island bridge the County has grown greatly
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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Look at Washington DC.
Majority black and an average high income. I'm guessing it doesn't count for all cities right?
"average high income", only in small enclaves.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Nope. Even majority Black upper-income neighborhoods with low crime rates have lower valuations than majority White neighborhoods with similar income levels.



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If you doubt this you only need to compare the property values of Fort Washington, MD to property values of other suburbs of the greater DC metro area.
Do you know of ANY black pro athletes that move back to very poor parts of town they came from AFTER the sign the big contract?
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