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Old 03-11-2013, 02:19 PM
 
Location: California
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What if they weren't legally the same? If marriage was separate from civil contracts? Everyone could get enjoined - and if you wanted to have a church marriage you did that separately within the constraints of each church?

I went to a wedding a few years ago. The young lady was the daughter of our neighbor and a few years older than our girls. They had a church wedding, which I found odd, because she was quite the atheist. I never commented but did ask my daughter once why she made a vow to a God she didn't believe in. My daughter pointed out that all girls are religious on their wedding day.
Explain how they would be LEGALLY different.

You seem to assume something magical happens when you get married in a church building or the word "god" is uttered during the service. I assure you, it's just for the benifit of those involved (another decoration if you will) and doesn't effect legality or validity in any way. There is nothing legally different between a church wedding and one performed on the court house steps.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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And that is my point with respect to marriage. It is not determined by legal status, and a change in legal status or terminology cannot make something that is not marriage into marriage. What is cannot be taken away by law, but it also cannot be granted by law.
I couldn't disagree with you more.

"Marriage" is not some kind of mystical thing. It is simply a legal contract. That is what a civil marriage is.

If you refuse to accept or recognize the married status of the couple who live on your block, that is up to you. If that couple is denied equal rights under law then it is a civil rights issue.

Civil marriage is a civil right.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Explain how they would be LEGALLY different.

You seem to assume something magical happens when you get married in a church building or the word "god" is uttered during the service. I assure you, it's just for the benifit of those involved (another decoration if you will) and doesn't effect legality or validity in any way. There is nothing legally different between a church wedding and one performed on the court house steps.
A church wedding would not carry any legal protection. It would be totally symbolic.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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You seem to assume something magical happens when you get married in a church building or the word "god" is uttered during the service.
You do realize that in the doctrine of many Christian churches, particularly those which hold the doctrine ex opere operato, the sacrament of matrimony is (vaguely) "something magical happening"?
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Even a cat knows the natural order of things. Cats mate w/ the opposite sex. Some people claim to be high functioning and intelligent, but cat's actually appear to have the upper hand in this particular area.
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My cat is gay. He is a Siamese - a notorious breed for homosexuality. At first I saw him mounting other male cats. The next thing I knew he was redecorating the living room. The final straw was he was giving me advice on how to dress!
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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My cat is gay. He is a Siamese - a notorious breed for homosexuality. At first I saw him mounting other male cats. The next thing I knew he was redecorating the living room. The final straw was he was giving me advice on how to dress!
My most beloved pet of 13 years was a Siamese. She had a litter of kittens and although I had a male Tabby at the time, I am thoroughly convinced that it was an immacuate conception. My Doozy would never have fornicated with a common cat...
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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You do realize that in the doctrine of many Christian churches, particularly those which hold the doctrine ex opere operato, the sacrament of matrimony is (vaguely) "something magical happening"?
Really? I do the glassy eyed stare when I go to weddings. Bor-ring. Nothing magical happening there.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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I do the glassy eyed stare when I go to weddings.
Even when you see The Dress for the first time? You surprise me.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Even when you see The Dress for the first time? You surprise me.
Yeah. I'm just not really a fan of weddings. Maybe it's the whole "it's all about me" factor of the day & all the relatives, people you don't really know. Even my good friends I wasn't that keen. I faked it of course & sometimes I had fun at the reception but the actual ceremony, not so much.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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Yeah. I'm just not really a fan of weddings. Maybe it's the whole "it's all about me" factor of the day & all the relatives, people you don't really know. Even my good friends I wasn't that keen. I faked it of course & sometimes I had fun at the reception but the actual ceremony, not so much.
Well, some people like weddings, some hate them. Kind of like shopping.

Myself: my wedding was so long ago, there actually was magic. We hired a wizard for the reception who did some really impressive fireworks and turned smoke-rings into ships and stuff.
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