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Sure I did. You refused to answer the last questions because you knew that you consistency with your previous expressions of unwavering allegiance to legal definitions would result in a nonsensical position.
That is because you have been brainwashed by the left to think that marriage has no significant meaning.
When, in the land of reality, a civilly contracted marriage should have no meaning to it. The meaning is between the people; the state/feds should have no interest in the "special meaning" behind why you're getting married in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
You won't let me marry my cat - that is extremely hateful, IMO.
Because your cat is not a consenting adult capable of signing any sort of contract.
Homosexuals are adults capable of signing contracts.
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Originally Posted by texdav
It has nothig to do with personally being against gays.Its about the belief in marriage as betweeen a man and woman.Even a preacher can be found to be immoral and committing adultry.Being a Christian I leave it to god to judge all sinners for their sins.
While that's fine and dandy, what reason can you give to show that your version of marriage is more valid in terms of law than a version that includes homosexual marriage?
Personal conviction is perfectly fine to have, but we're talking the realm of law.
Objective vs Subjective.
So what are your objective reasonings for denying homosexuals the ability to receive the exact same protections and benefits that a heterosexual couple can receive without question?
So what are your objective reasonings for denying homosexuals the ability to receive the exact same protections and benefits that a heterosexual couple can receive without question?
There are none. However, if those civil benefits are to be extended beyond a clearly defined class (traditionally, the ability to procreate within the partnership), then likewise there is no objective reason to deny such benefits to any partnership. Two brothers, for instance, or two elderly friends who live with each other celibately for mutual aid and companionship.
This is logically inescapable: there is no other criteria with which to replace "ability to procreate" as the definition limiting marriage eligibility. We can assume that in future, the civil benefits of marriage will be available to any two adults.
But obviously this will have distinct and significant policy implications. Expanding the range of people eligible for the civil benefits presently confined to same-sex couples will have ramifications on everything from the tax code to the sustainability of Social Security and Medicare.
Which means, in all probability, that the expansion of marriage benefits to all adults will either require the curtailing of those benefits, or a proportionate increase in taxes.
There are none. However, if those civil benefits are to be extended beyond a clearly defined class (traditionally, the ability to procreate within the partnership), then likewise there is no objective reason to deny such benefits to any partnership. Two brothers, for instance, or two elderly friends who live with each other celibately for mutual aid and companionship.
This is logically inescapable: there is no other criteria with which to replace "ability to procreate" as the definition limiting marriage eligibility. We can assume that in future, the civil benefits of marriage will be available to any two adults.
But obviously this will have distinct and significant policy implications. Expanding the range of people eligible for the civil benefits presently confined to same-sex couples will have ramifications on everything from the tax code to the sustainability of Social Security and Medicare.
Which means, in all probability, that the expansion of marriage benefits to all adults will either require the curtailing of those benefits, or a proportionate increase in taxes.
There is no "ability to procreate " criteria for civil marriage now. Elderly people can get married. Infertile people can get married. In states where first cousin marriage is legal the couple has to prove INABILITY to procreate to get married.
And then again, there's this conservative answer to the problem: rather than extend the civil benefits of marriage to all adults, end those benefits for all.
Certainly it would simply the tax code: instead of four filing categories, just two: single and head of household (or, more accurately after such a change, "no dependents" and "with dependents"). No SSA widow/widower benefits, but presumably we'd retain the survivor benefits for minor children and surviving parent having custody. And so on - the ramifications are immense.
Thanks for sharing, but that info is hardly the point. People who hate gays don't care for one, and two, it's not like straight couples don't act immoral and sinful. Not that you and I don't know that, but it amazes me how many other people completely ignore that fact.
There is no "ability to procreate " criteria for civil marriage now. Elderly people can get married. Infertile people can get married. In states where first cousin marriage is legal the couple has to prove INABILITY to procreate to get married.
The law doesn't inquire into the question of fertility; it is one of our legal fictions: two people of opposite sex are held to be eligible to procreate, and therefore eligible to marry. Consanguinity is an exception which does not disprove the rule.
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