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Old 03-09-2013, 11:53 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Read this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/fa...=weddings&_r=0

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Mr. Boll (left), 47, is a foreign service officer at the United States consulate in Rio de Janeiro, where he manages its political and economic section, a liaison between the United States and Brazilian companies, academic organizations and government agencies. He graduated with honors from the University of Chicago and received a law degree and a master’s degree in Latin American and Iberian studies from the University of Wisconsin. He also holds a doctorate in international law from the University of Sydney in Australia.
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Mr. van Hout, 31, is a business development officer in the São Paulo, Brazil, office of Henley & Partners, a Swiss financial consulting firm. He graduated from Tilburg University in the Netherlands and from 2004 to 2005 was a Fulbright scholar at the University of Minnesota, from which he received a Master of Laws degree.
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That July, Mr. Boll returned to the United States for a year to study in preparation for his next assignment in Pristina, Kosovo, and Mr. van Hout stayed behind in Amsterdam. Over the next three years, they flew back and forth every few weeks, first to and from the United States and then Kosovo. In 2011, Mr. Boll’s assignment in Kosovo was nearing its end. He had a choice between Dubai or Rio de Janeiro as his next assignment. Together, they chose Rio. “After that moment, any worry that I had about the future was gone,” Mr. van Hout said.
My point to you conservatives is this: not all gays fit the stereotype you have of some immoral promiscuous gigolos who hang out in bath houses.

Here are two men who are highly educated and accomplished in their fields. And they demonstrate no less long-term commitment and love for each other than heterosexual couples...probably more, if you consider the 50% divorce rate.

So why would I or anyone else look down on their relationship? By all accounts, they are more admirable as individuals and as a couple than many conservative heterosexuals who disparage them.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:06 AM
 
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It has nothig to do with personally being against gays.Its about the belief in marriage as betweeen a man and woman.Even a preacher can be found to be immoral and committing adultry.Being a Christian I leave it to god to judge all sinners for their sins.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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It has nothig to do with personally being against gays.Its about the belief in marriage as betweeen a man and woman.Even a preacher can be found to be immoral and committing adultry.Being a Christian I leave it to god to judge all sinners for their sins.
Why do you "believe" that a civil marriage contract (a secular, legal construct) is only between people of the opposite sex? I just don't get that.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Why do you "believe" that a civil marriage contract (a secular, legal construct) is only between people of the opposite sex? I just don't get that.
That is because you have been brainwashed by the left to think that marriage has no significant meaning.

While we are on the subject - how come you hate me?

You won't let me marry my cat - that is extremely hateful, IMO.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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That is because you have been brainwashed by the left to think that marriage has no significant meaning.
Just because someone has a different opinion from you doesn't mean he or she is brainwashed. That's utterly absurd.

Some of us are just more open-minded and empathetic than others. We want as many people as possible to feel included in American society and culture.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:37 AM
 
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That is because you have been brainwashed by the left to think that marriage has no significant meaning.

While we are on the subject - how come you hate me?

You won't let me marry my cat - that is extremely hateful, IMO.
So what you're saying is that if I understood the significant meaning of marriage, then I'd also understand why I and other gay people need to be banned from it? Oh please. What a anti-gay, bigoted, hateful statement.

And if your cat agrees to the marriage and expresses his consent in writing or in the English language, then I'm all for the two of you contacting a civil marriage. Hell, if you want to marry your cat strictly in a religious sense, I hope you can find a Church that will sanctify it.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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We want as many people as possible to feel included in American society and culture.
As do I.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:50 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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That is because you have been brainwashed by the left to think that marriage has no significant meaning.

While we are on the subject - how come you hate me?

You won't let me marry my cat - that is extremely hateful, IMO.
Your cat is not a consenting adult with the cognitive ability to comprehend and adhere to behavior requisite in committed personal relationships on the level that humans can. Two human adults, on the other hand, can well understand love and commitment on human terms. And homosexuals can love each other as much as heterosexuals do.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:09 AM
 
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My point to you conservatives is this: not all gays fit the stereotype you have of some immoral promiscuous gigolos who hang out in bath houses.
Not all conservatives fit the stereotype you have of some moralizing social conservatives.
I am conservative and I support gay marriage. There is an organization GOProud of homosexual conservatives and Log Cabin Republicans is a group of homosexual Republican party members. Almost 6 in 10 - in other words, the majority - conservatives age 30 and under support gay marriage.

From GOProud's position on gay marriage:

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GOProud believes that stable, loving, committed relationships are the cornerstone of our society and should be protected and encouraged for all couples - including gay and lesbian couples. We believe that the decision about how to best do this is one that should be made at the state level and that these decisions are best made by the people directly or through their elected representatives - not by unelected judges.

We are firmly committed to winning hearts and minds, which is why we understand that not everyone who doesn't support marriage for gay couples is automatically a bigot or homophobe. We understand that there are people of deep faith who may have religious objections to marriage. We respect those differences and believe that no church or religious institution should ever be forced to solemnize a marriage that is against its teachings.
Note the stark contrast between these homosexual people within the conservative movement being actually tolerant and the self righteous liberals on this forum who simply bash anyone who disagrees.

Ann Coulter, that crazy right wing extremist to many liberals, spoke at their convention.

Glenn Beck, another crazy right wing extremist to many liberals, supports gay marriage.

The Tea Party candidate, those crazy right wing extremists to many liberals, against Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was a transgender. Maybe they were too busy being racists to get the memo that they are also homophobes. Oh, no wait, their candidate for President last time was black. And their leader is a woman. Strange how the "American Taliban" Tea Party ran gay and black candidates and had their congressional caucus formed by a woman. At least they're Christian zealots, though. Oh, my mistake - they ran an admitted former pagan in Delaware.

Also, conservative leaders signing a brief to the Supreme Court in favor of gay marriage:

Ken Mehlman, Chairman, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
Tim Adams, Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, 2005-2007
David D. Aufhauser, General Counsel, Department of Treasury, 2001-2003
Cliff S. Asness, Businessman, Philanthropist, and Author
John B. Bellinger III, Legal Adviser to the Department of State, 2005-2009
Katie Biber, General Counsel, Romney for President, 2007-2008 and 2011-2012
Mary Bono Mack, Member of Congress, 1998-2013
William A. Burck, Deputy Staff Secretary, Special Counsel and Deputy Counsel to the President, 2005-2009
Alex Castellanos, Republican Media Advisor
Paul Cellucci, Governor of Massachusetts, 1997-2001, and Ambassador to Canada, 2001-2005
Mary Cheney, Director of Vice Presidential Operations, Bush-Cheney 2004
Jim Cicconi, Assistant to the President & Deputy to the Chief of Staff, 1989-1990
James B. Comey, United States Deputy Attorney General, 2003-2005
R. Clarke Cooper, U.S. Alternative Representative, United Nations Security Council, 2007-2009
Julie Cram, Deputy Assistant to the President and Director White House Office of Public Liaison, 2007-2009
Michele Davis, Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and Director of Policy Planning, Department of the Treasury, 2006-2009
Kenneth M. Duberstein, White House Chief of Staff and Assistant to the President, 1981-1984 and 1987-1989
Lew Eisenberg, Finance Chairman, Republican National Committee, 2002-2004
Elizabeth Noyer Feld, Public Affairs Specialist, White House Office of Management and Budget, 1984-1987
David Frum, Special Assistant to the President, 2001-2002
Richard Galen, Communications Director, Speaker’s Political Office, 1996-1997
Mark Gerson, Chairman, Gerson Lehrman Group and Author of The Neoconservative Vision: From the Cold War to the Culture Wars and In the Classroom: Dispatches from an Inner-City School that Works
Benjamin Ginsberg, General Counsel, Bush-Cheney 2000 & 2004
Adrian Gray, Director of Strategy, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
Richard Grenell, Spokesman, U.S. Ambassadors to the United Nations, 2001-2008
Patrick Guerriero, Mayor, Melrose Massachusetts and member of Massachusetts House of Representatives, 1993-2001
Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce, 2005-2009
Stephen Hadley, Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor, 2005-2009
Richard Hanna, Member of Congress, 2011-Present
Israel Hernandez, Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Trade, 2005-2009
Margaret Hoover, Advisor to the Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security, 2005-2006
Michael Huffington, Member of Congress, 1993-1995
Jon Huntsman, Governor of Utah, 2005-2009
David A. Javdan, General Counsel, United States Small Business Administration, 2002-2006
Reuben Jeffery, Undersecretary of State for Economic, Energy, and Agricultural Affairs, 2007-2009
Greg Jenkins, Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Presidential Advance, 2003-2004
Coddy Johnson, National Field Director, Bush-Cheney 2004
Gary Johnson, Governor of New Mexico, 1995-2003
Robert Kabel, Special Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs, 1982-1985
Theodore W. Kassinger, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, 2004-2005
Jonathan Kislak, Deputy Undersecretary of Agriculture for Small Community and Rural Development, 1989-1991
David Kochel, Senior Advisor to Mitt Romney’s Iowa Campaign, 2007-2008 and 2011-2012
James Kolbe, Member of Congress, 1985-2007
Jeffrey Kupfer, Acting Deputy Secretary of Energy, 2008-2009
Kathryn Lehman, Chief of Staff, House Republican Conference, 2003-2005
Daniel Loeb, Businessman and Philanthropist
Alex Lundry, Director of Data Science, Romney for President, 2012
Greg Mankiw, Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers, 2003-2005
Catherine Martin, Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Communications Director for Policy & Planning, 2005-2007
Kevin Martin, Chairman, Federal Communications Commission, 2005-2009
David McCormick, Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, 2007-2009
Mark McKinnon, Republican Media Advisor
Bruce P. Mehlman, Assistant Secretary of Commerce, 2001-2003
Connie Morella, Member of Congress, 1987-2003 and U.S. Ambassador to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, 2003-2007
Michael E. Murphy, Republican Political Consultant
Michael Napolitano, White House Office of Political Affairs, 2001-2003
Ana Navarro, National Hispanic Co-Chair for Senator John McCain’s Presidential Campaign, 2008
Noam Neusner, Special Assistant to the President for Economic Speechwriting, 2002-2005
Nancy Pfotenhauer, Economist, Presidential Transition Team, 1988 and President’s Council on Competitiveness, 1990
J. Stanley Pottinger, Assistant U.S. Attorney General (Civil Rights Division), 1973-1977
Michael Powell, Chairman, Federal Communications Commission, 2001-2005
Deborah Pryce, Member of Congress, 1993-2009
John Reagan, New Hampshire State Senator, 2012-Present
Kelley Robertson, Chief of Staff, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Member of Congress, 1989-Present
Harvey S. Rosen, Member and Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers, 2003-2005
Lee Rudofsky, Deputy General Counsel, Romney for President, 2012
Patrick Ruffini, eCampaign Director, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
Steve Schmidt, Deputy Assistant to the President and Counselor to the Vice President, 2004-2006
Ken Spain, Communications Director, National Republican Congressional Committee, 2009-2010
Robert Steel, Undersecretary of the Treasury for Domestic Finance, 2006-2008
David Stockman, Director, Office of Management and Budget, 1981-1985
Jane Swift, Governor of Massachusetts, 2001-2003
Michael E. Toner, Chairman and Commissioner, Federal Election Commission, 2002-2007
Michael Turk, eCampaign Director for Bush-Cheney 2004
Mark Wallace, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Representative for UN Management and Reform, 2006-2008
Nicolle Wallace, Assistant to the President and White House Communications Director, 2005-2008
William F. Weld, Governor of Massachusetts, 1991-1997, and Assistant U.S. Attorney General (Criminal Division), 1986-1988
Christine Todd Whitman, Governor of New Jersey, 1994-2001, and Administrator of the EPA, 2001-2003
Meg Whitman, Republican Nominee for Governor of California, 2010
Robert Wickers, Republican Political Consultant
Dan Zwonitzer, Wyoming State Representative, 2005-present
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:39 AM
 
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That is because you have been brainwashed by the left to think that marriage has no significant meaning.
On the contrary, I think most gay and lesbian couples want to marry because marriage has significant meaning. The legal protections of civil marriage also have significant meaning and impact, especially to those gay and lesbian couples who are raising children.
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While we are on the subject - how come you hate me?

You won't let me marry my cat - that is extremely hateful, IMO.
Perhaps you can interpret your Bible so that your version of 'god' approves and you can have a religious wedding with your cat in some church. No-one is stopping you.

If you have sex with it though, be prepared to have the SPCA knocking down your door for animal abuse and cruelty.

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