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Old 03-11-2013, 06:12 AM
 
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Typically when there is a war it's usually against a country that is contained, and will eventually be breached and defeated...

...The war on terrorism is not is tied to any one country. It is not a war against a large force that can easily be forced into submission. And unlike other wars, from what I've read there is no "war fatigue". Furthermore, the war on terror is a land war in Asia.

...All these drone strikes worry me, because the war is fought within the territory of the people. This leads to collateral damage, and that leads to more recruits for the enemy...

...Across a very wide span of land.


...From what I've read in history, first it started with us supplying arms to rebels. Then we dragged a few more countries in. Then the people we helped put in power turned against us. Our politicians, intelligence, and soldiers eventually managed to capture Saddam and Osama...

...But we are still fighting a war in Afghanistan, and from what I've read, terrorists are being recruited in Africa.


...Furthermore political tensions between our ally, Israel, and other countries aren't creating a stable and peaceful situation either.


...There seems to be no end to the war on terror and it is costing us a LOT of money. Warring empire is not cheap, but we are not fighting a traditional empire.

...On top of that, we are spending a lot of money back home, and all this adds up to major debt.
...This is not good for our country if we continue this war.





...When will it end? When will this happen:





...It seems that people are underestimating the toll of constant war on this country's economy.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default War on Terror

The War on Terror is a WAR on the terrifying prospect that the US government might cut military spending. The War on Terror is the ideal war that can never be defined and never one. This war can only be fought and never be won. This is a weapon, personnel and financial suppliers dream. It is "THE FOREVER WAR" and the font of forever profits. It is also the road to cultural, financial and societal ruination as we give up all other things to win the unwinnable.

I suggest we simply declare we have won the WOT and stop spending our wealth on this absurdity. We should cut our WAR Department budget by 70% and spend half the savings on repairing our own country. I would like to see the rest of the world’s reaction to our frugality and sensibility.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:31 AM
 
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The War on Terror is a WAR on the terrifying prospect that the US government might cut military spending. The War on Terror is the ideal war that can never be defined and never one. This war can only be fought and never be won. This is a weapon, personnel and financial suppliers dream. It is "THE FOREVER WAR" and the font of forever profits. It is also the road to cultural, financial and societal ruination as we give up all other things to win the unwinnable.

I suggest we simply declare we have won the WOT and stop spending our wealth on this absurdity. We should cut our WAR Department budget by 70% and spend half the savings on repairing our own country. I would like to see the rest of the world’s reaction to our frugality and sensibility.
What I'd like to know is why the middle east didn't care about us for a few centuries, and why it all changed in the 20th century.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:59 AM
 
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Default Midle East concerns

It was not that the Middle East didn't care about us for a few hundred years after the Crusade but that we didn't care about them until the late 1800's. The West began to be concerned when the discovery of cheap petroleum threatened the domination of oil markets by western monopolies. That was when we started manipulating Middle Eastern governments and feudal kingdoms to limit access to their oil reserves. Eventually the rapidly increasing educated (in more than the KORAN) populations realized just how much wealth had been stolen by the West and started revolting.

Since then we have continued to manipulate and control Middle Eastern Oil as well as the governments we have suborned. Our manipulation of Iran after WW2 is an example. The people of Iran over threw, in 1953, a King we owned with a democratically elected government. They threatened to remove the control of Iran’s oil by British petroleum. That was completely unacceptable to the British and the American oil companies so they commissioned the US CIA to remove the Republic and replace it with the previous feudal and controllable government. Eventually this thug died and another revolution that, resulted in a religious nightmare, took over and removed western control of Iran’s oil. The oil companies are now fomenting a War to regain control of these oil reserves lest they reduce the prices of world oil.

The Middle East is concerned and very angry with the West for manipulating their economies and countries for over a century for our benefit and their cost. To that add the religious differences between two fundamentalist and one other long established religion and we are where we are.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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The "war on terror" is far more than antagonism against the west. The Extremist movements are highly active in areas that have nothing to do with the west, such as Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, The Philippines, Myanmar, and China. This isn't Islam, but about 1/4 of of it (the Salafist, Wahabist, and other militant/extremist sects within Islam) and their agenda is building an Islamic empire. This 1/4, isn't all taking up arms, but a good bit of it is - with the other either supporting the armed portion with money, logistics, safehavens, and approval. This really isn't a war on terror as it is a war against an Extremist Islamic Empire - not defined by border (but trying to change that) and using terror as its primary form of assymetrical warfare, in order to achieve it's goals.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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The "war on terror" is far more than antagonism against the west. The Extremist movements are highly active in areas that have nothing to do with the west, such as Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, The Philippines, Myanmar, and China. This isn't Islam, but about 1/4 of of it (the Salafist, Wahabist, and other militant/extremist sects within Islam) and their agenda is building an Islamic empire. This 1/4, isn't all taking up arms, but a good bit of it is - with the other either supporting the armed portion with money, logistics, safehavens, and approval. This really isn't a war on terror as it is a war against an Extremist Islamic Empire - not defined by border (but trying to change that) and using terror as its primary form of assymetrical warfare, in order to achieve it's goals.
So why did we trigger this stupid thing?
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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The Government got smart. All the "War on XXX" are virtual wars and can be fought indefinitely.
With an indefinite war comes indefinite funding.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:21 AM
 
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The Government got smart. All the "War on XXX" are virtual wars and can be fought indefinitely.
With an indefinite war comes indefinite funding.
The government got smart or did the people become stupid?

Indefinite funding on a war with untaxed spoils can drive the economy into the ground.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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the dhs is to big to fail... without musi terrorist we now have those potential pesky domestic ones? there has been terrorism for decades. suddenly we are in a constant war on it? Like one of you said this is a boon to suppliers and i'll add government voyeurs.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:30 AM
 
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So why did we trigger this stupid thing?
We didn't trigger anything that wasn't eventually going to pick a fight with us. These animals are at war with everything and everyone around them (including Moderate/Liberal Islam which they don't consider true islam). With the world getting "smaller", we would have eventually "butted heads". We did start it sooner though. However, a threat like them will take the world coming together to stop. They aren't unlike the facist movements of the 1920 & 30s that dragged the whole world into war in order to stop it. The best way to beat these mindless apes is to raise the standard of living for all people (even though they are constantly trying to destroy that standard. Keeping a poor standard of living keeps people looking to extreme religions more so than economically stable standards). I would say that you can fight the idea with another idea, but we have plenty of ideas already. The extremist will simply kill and intimidate those who espouse different worldviews. Ultimately, the only way to stop such people is to eliminate them the best way you can. That is unfortunate and not absolute.
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