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Actually, those are all due to conservative policies -- especially the 30 year trend to reduce taxes on the rich and shift the burden downward; anti-union policies; conservative policies that allow exporting jobs overseas by corporations; and inequality, caused by the above.
I agree. There may have been some advancement in liberal thinking like acceptance of gay marriage.
But in terms of social and financial policy the U.S. has become more conservative over the last few decades.
As someone has posted above, there's often a strong correlation between "poor social indicators" (such as teen pregnancy, etc.) and the perceived "conservative" nature of a state. Poor social mobility is a major factor.
Also, America has a higher abortion rate than Canada and western Europe... both places that are markedly more liberal than the United States!
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About the only thing that liberalism has produced is lower crime rate- by Roe vs. Wade.
Things are probably "worse" from the perspective of one type of person only: Aging middle class white heterosexual christian males.
For everyone else, their lot has improved over the past 50 years thanks to "libbberuals."
As someone has posted above, there's often a strong correlation between "poor social indicators" (such as teen pregnancy, etc.) and the perceived "conservative" nature of a state. Poor social mobility is a major factor.
Also, America has a higher abortion rate than Canada and western Europe... both places that are markedly more liberal than the United States!
Things are probably "worse" from the perspective of one type of person only: Aging middle class white heterosexual christian males.
For everyone else, their lot has improved over the past 50 years thanks to "libbberuals."
There is also a correlation between religiosity and abortion. The higher the degree of religiosity in a community, the higher the rate of teen pregnancy, and also abortion. The U.S. has a much higher degree of religiosity in general than Canada or most of Europe.
It isn't about morals, it's about politics. A recent survey (pdf) on teen births, which is much higher in America than in other advanced countries, is due to inequality and lack of economic mobility.
Where are the highest teen births? In the bible-belt and areas with the most inequality. Those liberal states, like NY and MA have low teen births:
Those Liberal states have the highest teenage abortion rates. Nine of the top ten states with high teen abortion rates are solidly Liberal. Looking at teen pregnancy rates, New York has the same rate as Kentucky.
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I agree. There may have been some advancement in liberal thinking like acceptance of gay marriage.
But in terms of social and financial policy the U.S. has become more conservative over the last few decades.
Right on the financial policy. The US embraced the concentration of wealth at the top and the erosion of organized labor and the middle class, led by none other than Saint Reagan and his disciples. If things are worse, it's because of the rabidly anti-worker, anti-middle class policies of the right.
I will never understand why the right in the United States gets exactly what they want, then whines about the results and tries to pin it all on liberals. Why not take credit for the results of your policies?
The US, over the last fifty years, has shifted to become more politically liberal. Those views felt to be "liberal" in the 1960s would fall, in many instances, under the banner of conservatives today. We have seen a gradual political shift toward liberal views.
If liberalism is so great, why has incorporations of its tenets resulted in a worse nation?
Ummmmm, it's becoming more conservative.
Your side wants to regress to the time before Roe v. Wade for women and wants to stop all birth control.
Don't give me this becoming more liberal; it's more regressive.
The rest of the world laughs at us.
We're laughing back and have been for over two hundred years.
Oh yes, liberalism means a decline in Calvinist virtue, as David Brooks argues. Brooks says that something happened around 1980 that decayed American virtue. Really? What I can remember about the change around 1980 is the move towards Reaganism, which defunded things such as Revenue Sharing, that largely funded public schools in poor states. Reaganism also shifted the burden of funding the government down to the middle class and enriched the wealthy, increasing inequality.
Back when the country was truly liberal, like when Ike said:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
we had growth in public building, such as the interstate highway system; we built new schools and universities, which made us a more educated and productive society.
It isn't about morals, it's about politics. A recent survey (pdf) on teen births, which is much higher in America than in other advanced countries, is due to inequality and lack of economic mobility.
Where are the highest teen births? In the bible-belt and areas with the most inequality. Those liberal states, like NY and MA have low teen births:
The country has shifted rightward since the 80's and that's when the decline happened. You're only starting to see the country drift back to the center currently.
The country has shifted rightward since the 80's and that's when the decline happened. You're only starting to see the country drift back to the center currently.
I would say that killing the unborn, traditional marriage for gays, legalizing some mind altering drugs and advocating for illegal invaders in our county is a lot more than center. It is a far left ideology.
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